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⌈ Secret Post #4390 ⌋

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No, they are implying it. That's all there is to it, really. Most of them do think that being like the vast majority - not feeling particularly "male" or "female", whatever that may be- makes them somehow special and "other" instead of normal.

We'll just have to disagree.

Agreed.

Yeah, this is what gets me about it. Do they really think that the average person goes around thinking "wow, I sure feel female today!" or things like that? I didn't even know that the concept of feeling male or female was a thing until I saw people talking about it on Tumblr. I understand it in the context of being trans, sure, because in that case it's a matter of your gender not matching your physical body, so of course there's going to be a dissonance there and you're going to notice it. But for people who aren't trans? I'm pretty sure most of them don't put much thought into it at all, even the ones who are stereotypically traditionally masculine or feminine.

It makes me wonder what sort of warped ideas they have about how the majority of people perceive or experience gender.

Or--and get this--like trans people, they don't feel like they match their body! Surprise! I happens!

Do they really think ...

No, I don't really think that. What I think is, "Shit, I have to put on the cis masculine performance next week because I'm going to be stuck in suburban Florida caring for my elderly parents who laugh at jokes about queer femininity, in an environment where I don't know any of the safe spots, and I'm going to miss more scheduled meetings with my support groups, get into conversations where I'm backed into using gendered terms for my life partner, and probably sign documents that are unnecessarily gendered. And I'm just so sick and tired of doing work to pass, doing work to teach the people around me, doing work to watch for the people who could flip out and get violent, doing work to explain that I'm not comfortable in a church that can't decide whether I'm an abomination or not, ..."

So I suspect that the average person ends up thinking about less than half of that. It's not something I dwell on because I'm much more concerned about which average person is going to freak out if I'm not playing the game to their standard.

Okay, ya big baby. I'm sorry people not identifying as "man" or "woman" hurts you so badly. You sound jealous, tbh, if you think they feel ~special~ and ~not normal.~ It tells a lot about you that you think of them as not normal.

Are gay people not "normal?" What about trans people?

Cis, by the way, but you're just being an ass who doesn't want to change.

They themselves want to be seen as not normal. There is no other reason for identifying as nb jnless they are intersex and actually not male or female. Which the vast majority of them isn't.

NAYRT and also cis—wow, what amazing mind-reading powers you must have, to know what every self-identified non-binary person is thinking! Why the fuck would they want to be seen as freaks/special snowflake liars that get shit on by most straight cis people and big chunks of the LGBT+ community?

Because that earns them oppression points they wouldn't otherwise have.

Oh, you believe that there’s some kind of oppression scorecard with, somewhere, the most oppressed person on earth and that people want to compete for the top spot. The same argument I’ve seen made about every person who claims a letter in the full LGBTQIAetc spectrum by somebody. It’s just that once you get past the L and the G, some of the Ls and Gs join the crazy fundies in telling the rest of the alphabet soup they don’t count.

And actually, intersex people tend to identify as male or female. I used to have a friend who was intersex and from talking to him I learned that it's very common for intersex people to suffer the same sort of dysphoria as trans people because they DO tend to have a distinct gender identity one way or the other and they're often assigned a gender as a baby that doesn't match their actual gender. For example, he was raised as a girl despite identifying as male and it wasn't until he was older that he was able to start identifying as his true gender.

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