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⌈ Secret Post #4393 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

1) you keep bringing up "entitlement" as if it factors into the motivations being discussed at all

and 2) so you're gonna gloss over Anakin's fear about losing his loved ones which is literally the crux of his main plot and how his love was what led to his downfall and self-destruction. And the slavery. Sure, if you take those out, they're almost the same.

[(Anonymous)]

1) you keep bringing up "entitlement" as if it factors into the motivations being discussed at all

Because the thread started by talking about Kylo being entitled? And that seems strange to me? Especially comparing him to Anakin?

2) so you're gonna gloss over Anakin's fear about losing his loved ones which is literally the crux of his main plot and how his love was what led to his downfall and self-destruction. And the slavery

Isn't the fear about losing his loved ones part of the manipulation by Palpatine? Like, wasn't Palpatine the one giving him all the weirdo prophecy-dreams in the first place?

The thing with the slavery is that... well, it kind of depends on what we're actually talking about here, right? Certainly, slavery is a worse thing to have happened to Anakin than anything that happened in Kylo Ren's life. If the competition is for who has had a harder life, there's no doubt that it's Anakin.

But if we're specifically talking about how it affected them in the story, and how it affected their motivations for the villainous shit they do later, then I'm not so sure. Because I think the slavery plays a similar role, for Anakin, that Kylo's relationship with Anakin might have played for Kylo, in terms of providing the motivation for him to later be a villain.

(Also, I don't think that the movies actually do a good job of portraying the link between Anakin being a slave, and Anakin later being a villain)

[(Anonymous)]

"Entitlement" implies wanting something you haven't "earned", and while yes the anon at the start of the thread called Kylo entitled, I don't think it follows that therefore Anakin is ALSO entitled. If anything, Anakin felt he was "entitled" to being listened to and given basic respect after a lifetime of not having that, whereas Kylo's sense of entitlement is overinflated from basically nothing, hence the word being used for him a lot.

And nope, Anakin was rejected by the council in Phantom Menace at age 9 for his fears about his mother, way before Palpatine, and it grew from there. I know there are theories/suggestions about Palps pulling strings way before that, but as with Kylo's "backstory", I go off what was presented in the movies alone.

...okay but Kylo didn't HAVE a relationship with Anakin. He idolized Vader for vague reasons, sure, but how is that comparable other than "it's a reason". If one person turns evil for a cookie and the other turns evil after years of torture, sure they both turned evil, but they're hardly comparable.

(And yes the movies all suck but at least we have 3 movies of effort for Anakin, which just does not exist for Kylo)