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[ SECRET POST #4397 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4397 ⌋

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I agree that they're inhumane. What would be your solution to dealing with people who attempt to enter the US illegally?

Go fuck yourself

Well that escalated quickly.

It's a terrible question. I don't think there's any way to answer it, as framed. Like, we can disagree about immigration policy all we want, that's one thing. But even if you believe that we need to detain people who try to immigrate unlawfully, to admit that it's inhumane and then imply that it's necessary - to imply that we have no other choice but to be inhumane - is just... evil. I don't think there's any other good word for it.

I wasn't implying that. I honestly have no clue what the solution is. I'm not sure there is one.

This is a bit extreme. AYRT is agreeing that detention centres are wrong and is attempting a civil conversation on the issues with illegal entry to a country. Maybe dial it down a notch?

AYRT is agreeing that detention centres are wrong and is attempting a civil conversation on the issues with illegal entry to a country.

If that's what they meant, then I sincerely apologize, but I don't think that's what their post said. If they're attempting a civil conversation, then the question is incredibly bizarrely phrased, and has an obvious answer - at a bare minimum, make the detention centers humane.

SA

To be clear, the way the post is written to me, it seems to say, like... "Yes, they're inhumane, but what else are we supposed to do?"

I have a lot of thoughts on immigration and "illegal" immigration and our ridiculously restrictive immigration laws (for example, we've scared off most immigrants who aren't fleeing violence and horrifying things, so most of them should be allowed to stay and get asylum). But whatever the case, detaining is not the solution.

It used to be that you could only detain indefinately if immigrants were a danger to society. Now they can detain anyone who is arriving indefinitely without any bond. That's ridiculous. Detain the people with felony records, fine. You should still hold a hearing because prison without due process is unconstitutional. But don't keep the people who are not a risk to anyone in detention just because they don't have immigration status. Entering this country is not a crime (it really isn't, only reentry is a crime).

I agree with you that it shouldn't be a detainable offence. But I believe it is illegal to cross the border at an undesignated place or time, isn't it?

Place, yes, but even then it’s legal to claim asylum anywhere in the US, even when someone has crossed the border in a random spot. But as for time, what the US is doing along the southern border is illegal—having border patrol agents stop them before they can enter the US to claim asylum and turning them away with, basically, “fuck off, we’re full,” is illegal.

Especially when the reasons immigration processing/detention centers are full to bursting include private prisons having dumped beaucoup bucks into the chump’s campaign coffers and getting lucrative contracts, that pay more the fuller detention centers are, in return.

Also, during the prior administration, most asylum seekers, especially families with children, were basically released on parole pending immigration court/asylum hearings until this administration went “how fucking evil can we be” and started stealing kids from their parents to adopt out to white Christian families, including through a DeVos—as in billionaire Secretary of Education Betsy—run Christian adoption agency, deliberately recorded kids with families as unaccompanied minors, and deliberately destroyed/failed to keep records of whick kids came with which families.

None of this mustache-twirling villain bs is necessary; have asylum seekers regularly check in with an immigration officer until they can get their asylum claims processed, and fuck the prison companies’ profits.

As for illegal economic migrants— a) net illegal immigration is down, has been going down for years, and continues to trend that way. b) fucking require that everybody doing the hiring use E-Verify, and punish them, not poor sods looking for work, if they don’t. c) for fucks’ sake, keep DACA going and do the full DREAM Act as well.

And I might add that they recorded them as unaccompanied minors and yet did not and still refuse to provide them the protections that are given to unaccompanied minors.

AYRT—yeah, isn’t the primary purpose of that tent city kids’ prison camp in Texas that it’s somehow exempt from the care requirements (counselling, doctors, education, etc) normally required for migrant children?

Pretty much. That and making it difficult for anyone to have access to the kids so the kids can't be talked out of being tricked into signing forms and things.

AYRT—I realize that just because you help people with their asylum claims (thanks for the work you do, btw; we don’t often agree on fandom stuff but your real-life job is awesome) doesn’t mean you know the answer to this, but is there anything random US citizens can do aside from protest, donate money to immigrant rights/legal aid, and call their representatives?

I’ve heard awful stuff about doctors and nurses and teachers wanting to volunteer their time to help migrant kids and getting turned away, and the assumption was that ICE doesn’t want people who are mandatory reporters in their day jobs, and have other jobs so they can’t be threatened with firing if they blab, anywhere near the poor kids. If they were doing the right thing, they wouldn’t be afraid of whistleblowers.

But I can’t, say, start a book, toy, or clothes drive for the nearest child dentention center or anything, right?

I suck at phone calls, don’t have much spare cash, and I’m terrified of being arrested (after one of the protests I went to, some of the protestors went to the nearest dentention center and chained themselves to the gates and were arrested. I admire their bravery, but I’m a wuss) but I want to help in more ways than just answering questions online and waving a sugn a couple times a year.

As a lawyer I'm biased, but honestly donating to legal aid is one of the best ways to help given that most of them can't afford representation and that statistics show that representation makes a huge difference in even getting their cases heard. But there are also organizations that do things like meet immigrants at bus stations and give them basics (blankets, toothbrush, soap, things like that).

There are organizations that look for volunteers to do all sorts of things.

Write to your state government representatives. Get others to do the same.

Honestly even just talking about it and raising awareness is helpful.

This is a list that has some links to specific things: https://www.emersoncollective.com/articles/2018/06/7-things-you-can-do-to-help-families-at-the-border/

Okay, this is me, not sure how it went anon.

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