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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2019-01-20 02:36 pm

[ SECRET POST #4399 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4399 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Cassandra Clare & her books: TMI/TID/TDA]


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[Doctor Who]


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[Canadian ice dancers Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir]


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[Charmed]


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[Criminal Minds - season 4, episode 8 "Masterpiece"]


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[Tidying Up with Marie Kondo]











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(Anonymous) 2019-01-20 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
They've already had 12 versions of the Doctor that were conspicuously gendered, so I don't see the issue with a 13th.

I mean, if they wanted to do an androgynous Doctor, that would be really cool, but I don't see how it "doesn't make sense".

(Anonymous) 2019-01-20 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
MTE. If they'd started with androgynous actors and then had an obviously gendered actor, maybe the argument would hold water, but bringing it up now that there's a woman seems disingenuous at best.
esteefee: Amanda from Highlander giving sardonic smirky smile (amanda)

[personal profile] esteefee 2019-01-21 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
Yup.

(Anonymous) 2019-01-20 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I kinda like the forms being conspicuously gendered. Because it makes more of a point when the conspicuous gender isn't some kind of hinge point of the Doctor's personality. It happens to be a female body this time, and that directly affects... not much, which proves it doesn't really matter what the outsides happen to be. Whereas being in an ambiguous/androgynous form all the time can't make that point.

IDK, imo having 13 be a woman makes a stronger point that the Doctor doesn't regard gender the same way as most humans would, and isn't influenced by it the same way as we would be. What we regard as something intrinsically meaningful is just a change of clothes to an alien
esteefee: Amanda from Highlander giving sardonic smirky smile (amanda)

[personal profile] esteefee 2019-01-21 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
>the Doctor doesn't regard gender the same way as most humans would

Yeah, there were a couple of cute gags about that in the first eppy. It also pointed out that the way we perceive of gender as a society seem to be changing as well.

(Anonymous) 2019-01-20 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
But do Time Lords/Gallifreyans reproduce sexually? Because if that's the case, I wouldn't say gender is meaningless.

It is kind of interesting how they're handling it though. The switch doesn't really change who The Doctor is but it does, on occasion, change how humans react to her.

(Anonymous) 2019-01-20 08:55 pm (UTC)(link)
But do Time Lords/Gallifreyans reproduce sexually? Because if that's the case, I wouldn't say gender is meaningless.

Perhaps predictably, this is something that people in Doctor Who fandom have extremely, extremely long and tedious and vicious arguments over.

(Anonymous) 2019-01-21 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
The Looms, man...

(Anonymous) 2019-01-21 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
Damn you, Lungbarrow. Daaaaaaaamnnnn youuuuuuuuuu

(Anonymous) 2019-01-24 05:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Its a great book from what I remmember.

(Anonymous) 2019-01-20 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
reproducing sexually doesn't mean 'gender' means anything, since sex =/= gender though. if people can regenerate and change physical sexes, they could in theory induce swapping back and forth to have the necessary biology at the time of reproduction if needed without a gender identity

(Anonymous) 2019-01-20 09:20 pm (UTC)(link)
It's too late at this point for being androgynous to be the standard way the Doctor appears, so while they certainly could do an androgynous regeneration, it would not make more sense in the context of the show people have been watching for decades that has always had the Doctor and other Time Lords played by human actors with a pretty obvious gender expression.
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[personal profile] riddian 2019-01-20 10:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, it would probably make more sense, but you're about 12 conspicuously gendered actors too late for this opinion to really be valid.

(Anonymous) 2019-01-20 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Sure, and after a few more female-gendered Doctors I would like to see this.