[ SECRET POST #4402 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4402 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

In the end, it's a question of boundaries. Fictional characters don't have privacy. Everything they are is, by definition, put out for public consumption. You can play with fictional characters like dolls and send them on adventures and make them kiss and fight and fuck and that's okay because they are literally designed for your entertainment and don't have any feelings to hurt.

Actors are real people. Like many real people, they have a public face that they present to the world. But at the end of the day, actors don't belong to the public the way that fictional characters do. They belong to themselves, the way that real people do. And because they are people with feelings and families and unknown sore spots, there's something off about treating their lives as if they were fictional characters. YMMV.

[(Anonymous)]

ia, and I feel like a lot of people assume their "public personas" are also acting when they're probably not even remotely. I used to work in the music industry, spent a lot of time with musicians, and their public face was nothing more than a customer service face, same as we all have when we need to not snap at someone in public.

[mishey22]

I really feel like that just proves the point of the person who said that most people are shipping personas, which isn't really different than a character.

[(Anonymous)]

DA - when someone plays a character, they're making a conscious choice (and usually involving a literal contract) to play a fake person, written and directed for a story. When someone has a "public face", that's still /them/. No, sure, it's not the REAL REAL them who goes home and eats pizza, but they're not being a character; they're just being a more polite version of themselves.

[mishey22]

That isn't even what OP said?

[(Anonymous)]

So you go to a restaurant. And maybe the server makes small talk with you and your friends, engages in a little banter, laughs at your buddy's dad joke about one of the awkwardly named menu items. If you stop to think about it, the server doesn't really care how your day's going and your friend's not that funny, but you know. You do what you gotta when you work for tips. You don't actually know who your server is as a person.

It's still weird if you go home and write BDSM fic about them and the hot bartender.

[mishey22]

A server who someone sees once is not even remotely the same as someone with a carefully crafted persona that's fed to people over social media and press circles and the like, but you do whatever you need to feel superior to others.

Or, just avoid things you don't like. Ta da!

[(Anonymous)]

would you be okay with someone writing porn fic about you based on your facebook/twitter persona and appearances in photos/videos they found of you online? if you'd be okay with that, then that's fine. but other people might not share the same opinion. obviously, no one can stop someone from fantasizing about a celebrity/you/your mom or whoever. you would hope that they will at least be respectful and keep that stuff private.

i think rpfers are a bit like furries in the sense of being "out there" and some are definitely much crazier than others. not every rpfer is a celebrity stalker trying to break up the celebrity's marriage so he can marry his "twu gay love" who costars in the movie with him just like not every furry wants to hump animals in a fur suit. but the crazies tend to make everyone look bad. as long as you don't wax poetic in public about which celebrities' dicks you'd like to see touch or harass anyone or their families, it's not a problem. but you guys have to accept that you're on the same tier as furries when it comes to weirdness.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't even see what's weird about it, if you're willing to acknowledge that the tin-hat craziness is not intrinsic to RPF. Part of having a public persona is that people are going to react to that public persona.

[(Anonymous)]

Just bc I’d be ok with it doesn’t mean I can’t empathize with someone who wouldn’t and understand why I shouldn’t. Keep that shit locked up tbh

[mishey22]

I literally never said I agreed with it, I said that what the OP of this thread said looks like an argument for some other comment in the secret thread, but please. Carry on telling me what I said and what it means.

Or, why not write RPF about how you have perceived me based on one comment. Whatever floats your boat. I don't care. Oh, you won't because you aren't a furry...?

???????

[(Anonymous)]

That carefully crafted persona is for being polite, not for open public consumption.

[(Anonymous)]

I get it. You think that because celebrities entertain people for a living, that means every aspect of their lives is fair game. It's totally your right to feel that way, just like it's normal people's right to think that's dehumanizing and kind of gross of you. You do you, crazypants!

[(Anonymous)]

I get it. You think that because celebrities entertain people for a living, that means every aspect of their lives is fair game.

That's actually not at all what they said. It's nowhere close to what they said.

[(Anonymous)]

It’s exactly what they said. They literally said it’s not okay to write rpf about strangers unless they’re celebrities. Reading is fundamental.

[(Anonymous)]

'writing rpf is fair game'
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'every aspect of their lives is fair game'

[(Anonymous)]

RPFers have already called dibs on their personal and professional relationships, sexual preferences, favorite color and pain tolerance.

So, which aspects of their lives do they get to keep to themselves, and why do you think anyone other than them gets a say in that?

[(Anonymous)]

Do you think that those things make up the whole of yourself?

[(Anonymous)]

What percentage of a person is allowed to be fucking private?

[mishey22]

Actually, brave, rude anon who proved SECRET OP's point, I never said that I approve of it or not, I said that the OP of this specific thread made an argument that seemed supportive.

Hope you had a good whole day of feeling superior, though!

[(Anonymous)]

So, what can we do in relation to a real person within a random? Is creating a meme off them fair game? Drawing fanart that depicts them in a way that isn't strictly following their presented image? Can we discuss their fashion choices and behaviour? Is it okay to thrash showrunners and be rude at them on twitter because we think their showrunning isn't meeting our expectations? Is it okay to say on your own private blog that you find some celebrity hot and declare that you'd bang them in a heartbeat? If we begin to discuss the ethical side of the random's relationship with real people all of it begins to look pretty sketchy. I don't necessarily find rpf tasteful, but presenting it as the worst thing a fan can do to a person is rather misguided, imo. In the end, it's just a fantasy put in words - millions of people fantasise about celebrities, meaning no harm and no disrespect. Imagining someone in a made up scenario is not a criminal offense and neither it is unethical - just like drawing Brad Pitt wearing Han Solo outfit isn't unethical.

[(Anonymous)]

There is such a huge difference between the examples you gave and publicly sharing pornographic content about a stranger who did not give you their consent.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sharing actual pictures and videos of them, am I? This pornographic content is completely made up. I don't know what they are like in bed, what are they sexual preferences etc. How's this content different from imagining them in a situation of say, buying flowers? Anyway, not all rpf is porn.