[ SECRET POST #4403 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4403 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Not to mention that it's sexist as hell to assume that a woman who presents in a more masculine manner must be a trans woman...

[(Anonymous)]

Can you please explain the relation to the secret

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

One of the characters in this show looks masculine and is a girl.

[(Anonymous)]

Shit didn't mean to write ayrt, I'm a different anon.

[(Anonymous)]

OK, but we're talking about trans headcanons, aren't we? I think there's a difference between having a headcanon, and assuming that a masculine-presenting women *must* be trans.

[(Anonymous)]

You never see these sorts of headcanons for the traditionally feminine characters, though. Why couldn't Perfuma be trans?

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's a very reasonable point! Just like OP's point that a lot of trans headcanons are probably motivated by fetishism. There are patterns here that you can definitely notice.

But the idea that having a trans headcanon for a masculine-presenting character, in and of itself, is sexist - I don't agree with that.

[(Anonymous)]

The pattern's the problem. Well, that and the implied assumption that the butch is always trans because trans women will always retain enough masculinity to separate them out from the cis women. Frankly, I'll take an honest fetishist over someone who insists they're being inclusive by doubling down on every stereotype ever.

[(Anonymous)]

IA the pattern is a problem! But I think it's also bad to act like it's "sexist" to have masculine-presenting female characters as trans - it's uncannily similar to the TERF line of argument about tomboys, you know?

[(Anonymous)]

It's hard to get away from biology. Very few people of either are physically built in a way where they can cross the gender boundary easily and with no tells. Doesn't mean they're any less a man or a woman, just one of those unfortunate things.

[(Anonymous)]

We're not talking about real people here. We're talking about people who go "this female character looks the most stereotypically masculine/this male character looks the most stereotypically feminine, they must be the trans one" which is pretty transphobic.

[(Anonymous)]

First off, you're wrong. We've been "getting away from biology" since the 1930s, we've had time to improve the methods. Lots of people transition and don't have "tells." You're making an assumption about butch and femme folk, and assuming that men never have feminine-coded qualities and traits and women never have masculine-codes qualities and traits. Secondly, this is fiction. We have magic and pseudo-science and if we want wish fulfillment, completely functional and affordable transition options we're allowed them

[(Anonymous)]

Not really. I know a fair few trans women as i'm heavily involved in the community. And though i'd never tell any of them this, each one has tells. None of them would pass 100%.

[(Anonymous)]

So your anecdotal evidence means transphobia by shitty stereotyping for fetish headcanons is totally fine?
K.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't always pass. I've been accosted in bathrooms and told to "prove" my gender.

I am cis.

You're a fucking asshole, and I pity the trans folk unfortunate enough to know you.

[(Anonymous)]

I knew one of my trans female friends for over a year before I found out she was trans. She transitioned at a young age and is very traditionally feminine-coded so you would never guess she was trans if you didn't know.

[(Anonymous)]

There are plenty of cis women who don't "pass" 100% of the time either, and get misidentified as trans women, or even as men. Especially cis women that don't choose to present especially femme. So what's your point? Unless you're saying that the best-passing trans woman will never pass as often as even the least-passing cis woman.

[(Anonymous)]

She's not?