[ SECRET POST #4406 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4406 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[tabaqui]

You mean like being kidnapped and held in an illegal, underwater prison, and then becoming a fugitive from the government who would be either killed or imprisoned for life in some black hole (not literal) if she were captured again?

[(Anonymous)]

No.
Like someone sitting her down and saying, "Hey, remember that time you joined the Super Nazis? Yeah, that was fucking awful, and I don't for one second believe you're sorry. You backslide, and I'm putting a bullet between your eyes, you HYDRA fuck."

Something like that.

[tabaqui]

*dies laughing*

Yeah, that's what happened. Even Captain America didn't condemn her for that, so, you know...chill.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT but, wait, why are we expecting Captain America to condemn people for being hydra-affiliated

[tabaqui]

Really?
If anyone would condemn someone for being hydra-affiliated, it would be Cap. But he understood why Wanda and Pietro did what they did, and he accepted that she repented for it.

Why should anon want to execute her when Cap didn't? Who had a lot more reason to be much, much angrier?

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt but

we don't see any actual evidence that she repented or saw any problem with throwing in with hydra to further her personal vendetta (or deliberately loosing the Hulk on Joburg for...kicks, I guess?) just that she's not down with Ultron wiping out the *entire* world with her and Pietro still on it

you can read "cap lets her stay on the team" as evidence that she MUST have, sometime, I guess. but you can also read it as bad writing that's OOC for steve. "CAPTAIN AMERICA HAS NO PROBLEM WITH HER" is an in-universe answer that doesn't actually have any impact on my problem with how Wanda and her arc have been written from an out-of-universe implications standpoint. Captain America isn't a real person making a real moral judgment. He's a a character being bent to the convenience of the plot by several different groups of content creators, and he's an integral part of the thing I have a problem with and why I feel there are incoherencies that make her character feel fake, flat, and empty to me.

[tabaqui]

If Captain American isn't a real person making real moral judgements, than neither is Wanda or Peitro.

[(Anonymous)]

...so? IDK about thread OP but I don't want her to have consequences because it would be OBJECTIVELY JUSTICE THAT MATTERS FOR REAL, I want her to have consequences because the STORY is partly ABOUT justice, and it should still act like it when she's on screen

the point is that when a character's moral choices are 1) repugnant and 2) incoherent, and the narrative never addresses it, this makes them unappealing as characters, and weakens any attempt at moral weight for the entire story around them

CACW is a worse movie because of the ways it hinges on Wanda and the fact that her "arc" in Ultron has no substance and no follow-up

(this is not the only problem with either of those movies, but it's definitely part of it.)

having her face actual consequences would be both emotionally satisfying and make for a more compelling narrative

[tabaqui]

If saying that Captain America forgiving/understanding Wanda 'doesn't count' because he's 'an imaginary character', than the same holds true for Wanda, who is *also* imaginary.

[(Anonymous)]

Seeing as he keeps making the most stupid decisions that's not exactly a ringing endorsement.