[ SECRET POST #4409 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4409 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Non-fandom secrets/unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I guess my issue is that it's so ill-defined, it doesn't really mean anything. If it's a societal role, then are trans women who don't pass not women? They're not treated like women. If it's sex-based, no trans women can fit all five requirements of biological sex (chromosomes, hormones, internal sex organs, external sex organs, ability to produce eggs.) At best, a non-intersex trans woman can fit one.

I also think it's kinda shitty to conflate intersex people's circumstances to a fairly different set of circumstances, especially when intersex people are pretty adamant about those differences: http://www.isna.org/faq/transgender

Re: Non-fandom secrets/unpopular opinions

[philstar22]

It is personal. People define who they are and what that means for themselves. Gender is a personal, fluid thing. Sex is different and is biological, but even that can be fluid too given intersex people. Biology is sex, so for the most part people have a biological sex that can be defined specifically. Gender is different. No one can define what someone else's gender is. What it means to be a woman for me is going to be different from what it means to other women. A trans woman decides for herself that she's a woman and what that means for her. It has no impact on anyone else and means nothing about what being a woman is for any other women. Gender is personal.

And I realize that being intersex is not the same as being transgender. Because transgender is about gender and intersex is about sex. But, for example, often intersex people identify strongly with one gender even though they have the sex of both. So it is another aspect of the same thing. Gender is fluid and complicated. Gender is not sex. An intersex person who is both male and female sex-wise may only be a woman gender-wise.

Re: Non-fandom secrets/unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

"It has no impact on anyone else and means nothing about what being a woman is for any other women."

But it does. It's a collective, so changing who is part of the group fundamentally changes the group dynamic. Yeah, that doesn't really matter for the most part because it's such a large group and people are just trying to live their lives. However, I do think it's a key distinction in certain circumstances, like women's sports leagues. (I'm aware than trans women are not the same as cis men and it'd be unfair to trans women to compete against men, but I think it's also unfair to cis women if the transition happened post male puberty.)

And people can define themselves however they like. However, as woman is also a group identity, so being acknowledged as part of that group by the rest of society matters more than how one personally identifies.