[ SECRET POST #4416 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4416 ⌋

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Comments

[rosehiptea]

I've never quite understood why people label Kylo as incel. Not because I think he's a good person or anything, and I guess he's whiny, but we don't know anything about his sex life or even if he likes women. (Unless you think he likes Rey, but I'm not going to go there.)

The other person who gets labeled incel is Severus Snape and that I can totally see based on canon. Kylo not so much.

[(Anonymous)]

I think in general it's that he's incredibly embittered and alienated from society, and he responds to those feelings by refusing self reflection, lashing out, and wanting to dismantle civilization as it currently exists, no matter who it harms or kills. Plus, despite all the horrible things he says and does he seems to see himself as this underdog victim.

Admittedly, that doesn't make him an incel. But I can see the commonalities there.

Plus, he tells Rey she's nothing in order to make her feel vulnerable and more inclined to join him (cruel PUA tactics on steroids, basically), and he responds to Rey's rejection by becoming enraged and trying to kill her.

Again, I'm NOT arguing he's an incel. Just that I can definitely see where people are getting that vibe from him.

[(Anonymous)]

One of the dirty secrets about incel culture is that a fair number of them have wives/girlfriends, they just like to engage in online harassment and trolling. It's not really about the celibacy, it's about political misogyny.

But I think the incel interpretation is primarily about political moment. TFA hit theaters three months after Umpqua and 18 months after Isla Vista. So a lot of people were talking about toxic masculinity and violence, and having to do workshops about how to shelter-in-place. And then TFA comes along and gives us a young bad guy who hates democracy, hates the galaxy, hates his family, supports the mass murder of people who disagree with him, and has these ridiculously violent temper-tantrums that are so over the top that we cut away to brainwashed killing machines who mime "WHAT THE FUCK!" and comically tip toe away in body armor.

So yeah, a lot of people saw a caricature of toxic masculinity there.

[(Anonymous)]

I do get where people are coming from but I also think it's very much an interpretation of the text, more than it's something textual.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know. Kylo's elevator speech in TLJ kind of sealed the deal for me. The whole notion that the existing social order is corrupt and Kylo is the hero who will overthrow it so that he can have true freedom is a fair summary of many incel manifestos.

[(Anonymous)]

I think that's an over-general comparison? A lot of people besides incels could say that kind of thing