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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2019-02-14 07:38 pm

[ SECRET POST #4424 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4424 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2019-02-15 01:16 am (UTC)(link)
Wow, I read all these books in elementary school (on my own). I don't remember that part at all.

Actually, that's probably pretty sad that I didn't. I don't think I even knew what blackface was at the time, I suppose I would've just skimmed through parts like that without understanding.

(Anonymous) 2019-02-15 01:37 am (UTC)(link)
Same. I mean, when I read them there was no one in my school at all who wasn't white, so maybe that's why I didn't pick up on the context?

(Anonymous) 2019-02-15 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
Jesus, where are you from? Not the southeastern USA, I'm guessing.

(Anonymous) 2019-02-15 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
Or possibly, from the Southeastern US and in their 60s or above...

(Anonymous) 2019-02-15 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
Ontario. I mean the area I live in now is HELLA multi-cultural, but I don't think I saw anyone of another race until I was in like, grade six.

(Anonymous) 2019-02-15 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
nayrt but I'm from a small town in the upper midwest and there were no black kids in my grade. The only non-white kids were one Mexican boy and one Middle Eastern boy.

(Anonymous) 2019-02-15 03:20 pm (UTC)(link)
There's a whole damn world outside of the southeastern USA.

(Anonymous) 2019-02-15 10:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Indeed. One with apparently nothing but white people in sight!

(Anonymous) 2019-02-15 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
It's like all of Vermont that's not Burlington!

(Anonymous) 2019-02-15 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
This is 100% me. I had absolutely no idea what was going on or being referenced at these points in the story, so I really must have skimmed with a ??? over my head and moved on to the next part. I have no memory of this in the book at all.

I do remember parts where I think it was Pa was very anti-Native American and as much as I liked Pa, I thought he was was wrongheaded about them.

Basically, if you teach your children to value all people first, they can figure most of this racism out on their own.

Or, I guess, don't give them these books to read. As much as I loved them and they helped develop my reading skills, there are so many books out there now and available to kids that they won't necessarily miss this one.

(Anonymous) 2019-02-15 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
I think it was actually Ma who was vehemently anti-Native American,but she's not the only character.

(Anonymous) 2019-02-15 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
I'd like to point out that more than once in the book where they're living on Native American Territory (which they definitely did not know), men came into the house while Ma was alone with the children. They walked in without invitation, said nothing, took food out of the house and basically scared the bejesus out of her. So in her case I would say she at least had some reasoning behind her hatred.

(Anonymous) 2019-02-15 03:20 am (UTC)(link)
What makes you think they didn't know it was Native American territory? They refer to it as "Indian country" multiple times and reference that they live there. It was officially known as "Indian Territory". There's even this exchange in Little House on the Prairie:

Laura began again. “Pa, please, may I – ”

“What is it?” Pa asked. It was not polite for little girls to interrupt, but of course Pa could do it.

“Will the government make these Indians go west?”

“Yes,” Pa said. “When white settlers come into a country, the Indians have to move on. The government is going to move these Indians farther west, any time now. That’s why we’re here, Laura. White people are going to settle all this country, and we get the best land because we get here first and take our pick. Now do you understand?”

“Yes, Pa,” Laura said. “But, Pa, I thought this was Indian Territory. Won’t it make the Indians mad to have to – ”

“No more questions, Laura,” Pa said, firmly. “Go to sleep.”


This is after several chapters in which they encounter Native Americans, explore an abandoned camp, note that their cabin is actually built right next to a Native American trail that's still in use, etc. They definitely knew.

(Anonymous) 2019-02-15 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
They walked in without invitation, said nothing, took food out of the house and basically scared the bejesus out of her. So in her case I would say she at least had some reasoning behind her hatred.

I mean, still a bit worse for the Indians
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[personal profile] tabaqui 2019-02-15 02:15 am (UTC)(link)
Ma was, sadly, very anti Native-American, and i really hated those parts of the books. I wanted to shake her!

But i didn't understand what a minstrel show was or anything about it, either.

(Anonymous) 2019-02-15 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't remember it either. Maybe I read edited versions, or maybe it just went well over my head (I also grew up in a very white area - I knew one Chinese family and one black family, but that was it. I now also live in a very multicultural city)