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[ SECRET POST #612 ]

⌈ Secret Post #612 ⌋

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Thank you so much for posting all this info! ♥ I've just discovered crumpetandjam's clips on YouTube and am working my way through the Kieron vids (he dies? D: Noooo!). I watch As The World Turns and wish the network were as brave with Luke and Noah.

You're welcome! It was fun.

he dies? D: Noooo! I know. It was really painful to watch.

I watch As The World Turns and wish the network were as brave with Luke and Noah. I actually found John Paul/Craig through Luke/Noah. I was watching Luke and Noah's storyline on YouTube, and one of the related videos off on the side was of John Paul and Craig. I clicked the link, and didn't come up for air for hours. It is too bad that Luke and Noah have been kept so restrained.

Kieron ;__; How could they? He's so sweet. And delicious.

I did watch a Hollyoaks clip that was linked in the comments of a Luke/Noah clip but didn't look any further into the show. I wish I had! Now I'm watching the Kieron/JP clip that's set after they first have sex and YouTube is not downloading it properly >:(

ATWT is weird. Why bother introducing gay characters (or any character, for that matter) if you're not going to do anything with them? Bah.

Hours? That's some obsession.

But, I know what you mean. I love these guys SO MUCH! I think they're one of the best couples I've ever seen on TV, both straight and gay.

I can't work out how people can compare them to Luke and Noah. OK, so they're both gay relationships in television soap operas, but that's where it ends, right? Cos Luke and Noah do nothing and have been so slow, and kinda wooden, compared to John Paul and Craig. The chemistry for JP/C is so sizzling sometimes, and it's cute at others, and overall, you get a real feeling that they love eachother. I don't follow Luke and Noah, but I'm not sure you'd get that any time. /little rant.

Also: I can't *stand* to watch those scenes with Kieron. It breaks my heart.

I've never seen anyone say that Luke and Noah are similar to JP/Craig or JP/Kieron. The discussion usually goes like this: "Wow, the network is really screwing around with Luke and Noah. You should see how much better gay relationships are treated in soaps like Hollyoaks. Here, have some clips!"

You'll probably find that a lot (if not most) Luke/Noah fans are incredibly frustrated and disappointed with they way the couple have been treated. I know I am >:(

I can't *stand* to watch those scenes with Kieron. It breaks my heart.

I'm getting ready to have my heart broken. I just discovered this storyline today and already adore Kieron to pieces ;___;

There are comparison clips on youtube, and comparisons have been made over on afterelton.com too (they do some smashing reviews of JPC btw) TBF, people have discussed which soap does what better, but personally, I think HO wins everytime. I'm so proud to have a soap which can do what it's done. I think it's gone a long way to help teens who are unsure of their sexuality or just people who aren't sure about homosexuality.

Yeah, I read that there was a whole campaign about Luke and Noah because they were being so uncoupley for a couple it was unreal. If one of the soaps I watch was like that (denying part of the story for no real reason) I'd be a bit gutted - I'm not surprised people feel frustrated. I totes would.

today? Get crackin! Craig's back in town, and there's a lot to get on with! :P I'm a JPC girl, but Kieron is so lovely :(

Interesting! I didn't realise that. I agree with Allyndra in that there are some similarities in the beginning but there's no contest - Hollyoaks wins, hands down. It's really a shame that ATWT is so scared of upsetting the fundies. Van Hansis (who plays Luke) is an excellent actor and it's always a joy to watch him. Plus ATWT did a good job earlier in the series and there are some really beautiful and poignant Luke scenes. It's a shame that it's gone downhill :(

Hee! I'm getting through the clips as fast as I can but there's some work that needs to be done first. Plus YouTube is being all slow and clips are taking forever to play.

Kieron ;__; I have decided that he's not really dead and it was all an evil plot by aliens to further their invasion of Earth. Soon Kieron will return, kick alien butt, and have lots of hot man-loving.

I think HO has played this thing pretty well. They're just like a straight couple who have a secret. Perhaps even better, as they have shown it's love, not just a silly fling or anything. And the chemistry? *fans herself* GUH.

What's happening now with that? Are they still together? Are they still showing they're together?

work schmurk. JP/Craig will take over your ~~free time~~ life :P It will be worth it. Where you upto?

Kieron is dead, for me. It all, as usual, hinges on Craig. I won't say too much in case you haven't watched that bit yet, but I think... I think Craig saves JP. Hot man-loving? But with whom?

HO has done a wonderful job, from the clips I've seen. I'm really impressed.

Luke and Noah - OMG. I gave up watching the clips when the Ameera storyline began. Ameera is a woman from Iraq who knew Noah's dad. She needs to get away because apparently people in Iraq want to kill her because she and her mother were nice to an American (please note that this is just what I have read online so it could be wrong but it pissed me off like whoa). Noah marries her so she can stay in the US and be safe. I did see a clip where Luke and Noah kiss while he is still married but I have no idea what's happening. Aside from the treatment of the gay characters, I really did not want to see any racist/imperialist stereotyping or commentary, so I stopped watching.

Heh, well, work is done and now I'm going to watch a bunch of clips. The last clip was of Kieron moving out with Niell (I think that's how it's spelt?) and they're at some gambling event where a printing mistakes means that all drinks are free instead of one per customer.

Kieron will live on for me. He can have hot-man loving with anyone he wants. Hey, maybe with Luke! *starts plotting HO/ATWT crossover*

Thanks for the chat, time for me to get going. Hope you have a good day!

Hours? That's some obsession. You have no idea. One night I got half an hour of sleep, because I couldn't make myself stop watching the clips until 6:00 am. It was a little scary and a lot embarrassing, getting that caught up. I got digital cable just so I could watch Hollyoaks on BBC America. And then they stopped showing it. *shakes head* But I do a good impression of a sane person in front of others. :o)

Early on, the Luke/Noah and John Paul/Craig storylines had a lot of similarities. Gay boy falls for his seemingly straight (dark haired) friend. Seemingly straight friend throws himself in a relationship with a pretty girl. Seemingly straight friend kisses gay boy but denies being gay himself. But after this point, Hollyoaks let the boys move into an intense relationship, with a storyline that was all about them. As the World Turns kept Luke and Noah on the sidelines, stagnating for months.

Also, some of the difference might be in the way the shows are structured. American soaps air during the day, for an audience of people who are doing activities around their homes while also watching the show. The writers know this, so they build in a lot of repetition and redundancy, so if you miss a plot point while you're getting the laundry put away, you can catch it again later in the epsiode (or later in the week). I understand why they do it, but I think it drags down the energy and emotion of the performances. But I know that much of the reason for Luke and Noah's ... blandness is that gay relationships truly are controversial here. I forget sometimes, but then I hear a comment or a slur, and remember how many people find homosexuality distasteful and immoral. I think ATWT has been afraid to push, in case the full weight of conservative Christian rage fall upon them.

Those final scenes of Kieron hurt, but Jake and Barry did an amazing job with them.

half an hour of sleep? Y'see, this is where I reveal my own little fandomsecret: JP/Craig makes me stay up too. One night I spent 3 hours watching the YT videos, and another I stayed up to read fic. I've never been up till 6am, but I can see how I could have done that. I've certainly spent a *lot* of time with them, and it's kinda sad how I can quote stuff now :S (but ssshh. No-one in RL knows my secret. It's best kept that way, I feel)

I'm kinda gutted they stopped showing Hollyoaks on BBC America. It woulda been good to have a British Soap on there. Or do they have that already? And introducing the awesomeness of JP/Craig to the nation!

I spose, from that perspective, they're comparable. But comparing the emotion?

This week, there will be a JPC 'black hole' - we won't see them for a while - but not seeing a couple for months? That's just evil. How a show can expect their audience to get behind anything if they do that confuses me. And it's not like that'd ever happen with a straight couple!

I love how you said "Hollyoaks let the boys move into an intense relationship", because, if there's no other way to describe it, "intense" is it. I don't think I've seen anything so intense for a while. I mean, I can't really name a couple barring films that have such an intensity about them. And "let" too, like it was a natural thing, something that was kinda inevitable. That's so cute!

Hollyoaks airs before the watershed, which is why a lot of people were amazed when they first saw JP and Craig in bed. With few clothes on! (They also cover the missing of plot points by showing HO a lot: the previous show is on an hour before the show airs on terrestial tv, then the next episode is one straight after that on digital, then there's +1 channels, and to top it all off, there's one big glorious omnibus on sundays. Which is quite popular with the hungover adults, apparently. (Last sunday's was, like, Craig-tacular!)

I forget how controversial gay relationships are in America. I'm so used to the slash from fandom so it doesn't bother me (unless it bothers me in a good way ;P) but there are people having gay marriages now, and being out and proud. And I love that it's all a bit better for them :) However, while HO has been great at pushing the gay boat out, there are some times that I wonder if they are as open as they think they are. Sometimes they'll be weeks without JP and Craig, or JP in general, and I just get the impression it's because they don't want to put off the fans which aren't so "used" to homosexuality.

If Jake and Barry don't get awesome things for their awesome acting, it'll be sacriledge (sp?). Whilst watching the episode, I found myself more caring about Kieron than JP/Craig. You must understand how much that means.

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