[ SECRET POST #4430 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4430 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

His entire situation with Shae is the dealbreaker for me. In contrast to the book, the show decided to make Shae genuinely fall in love with Tyrion and portray the relationship as equal...and then decided to suddenly have her become a catty bitch who betrays him out of nowhere and frame his murdering her as justified on his part. Whereas in the book, it's clear their relationship is terribly one-sided, unequal, and that it's just Tyrion projecting hardcore onto a desperate underage prostitute who went along with him because he paid her. Her "betrayal" of him in the book is more of a grey area because she never cared for him, he just deluded himself into thinking she did. And so his murdering her is a lot more brutal and comes off like an incel murdering a prostitute because he thought she loved him. Plus he starts abusing prostitutes or something in the fifth book IIRC and just becomes one of the most irritating characters ever.

Every character in GOT except maybe Jon is morally dubious at best, but Tyrion being framed as one of the good ones is what bothers me. He's right down there with the rest of them.

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I really think his arc in book 5 was a deliberate descent into darkness, though. Like it's pretty obvious that he is in a really dark place and put where he is put for plot reasons

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"Plus he starts abusing prostitutes or something in the fifth book"

Wait, when did that happen?

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so his murdering her is a lot more brutal and comes off like an incel murdering a prostitute because he thought she loved him

The fuck? No.

In the books it is absolutely ambiguous as to whether Shae actually does love him, even after Tyrion finds her in his father's bed.

Several times in the narrative Shae makes an effort to convince Tyrion that her feelings are real and that he can trust her.

That's what makes her betrayal so visceral, either it was all an act from the beginning, or worse, she really did love him but still chose security and gold over him following his political downfall.

Also, she's not at all "underaged", a concept foreign to a fictional medieval fantasy world like Westeros. Even by real world standards, she is described as eighteen years old. In her own world, Shae would be treated as and more than likely see herself as a grown woman well into her adulthood since at least her 16th nameday, with all the responsibilities that a medieval Europe-inspired society would demand.

If you want a really victimized character related to Tyrion, think about Tysha the poor crofter's daughter that married him when they were both teenagers and then was gang raped by Tywin's men for daring to be a commoner that got so close to his son who was already so shameful in his eyes.

Shae is an interesting character not because she is a sad dead sex-worker victim, but a survivor with complex feelings and hidden motivations who managed to rise so high into the intrigue of the King's Landing court of the Iron Throne.

OH, and one more thing, Tyrion is the furthest from an "incel". It is in one of his earliest interactions that he has in the books with Jon Snow that he tells the bastard of Winterfell that he can't just waste his life away always blaming an unfair world and an unjust society for his misfortune of being born illegitimate and thus mistreated.

Just as a dwarf can expand his mind with great literature, impress other minds with his quick tongue, and travel the world on adventures, so too can a noble bastard rise above the station and expectations place on him.

Cursing the wind will only weaken the spirit. Get out into the world and prove yourself worthy and above the discrimination you face.

Incels would do well to learn this lesson, especially since they typically aren't dwarves or noble bastards living in a medieval fantasy world that doesn't accept them, but rather maladapted able-bodied cishet white men with the Western-dominated world at their finger tips.