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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-09-11 03:59 pm

[ SECRET POST #615 ]


⌈ Secret Post #615 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Early cause I have class!

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Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 94 secrets from Secret Submission Post #088.
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pikabot: (gar!simon)

Re: 104

[personal profile] pikabot 2008-09-11 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I've never seen someone do it sans accusatory tone.

Re: 104

[identity profile] paperclipchains.livejournal.com 2008-09-11 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess so, but it's kind of hard to say "I find rape fic repulsive" without someone considering it an attack.

I don't think anybody should be attacked for liking/reading/writing rape fantasies. I just also don't think that disgust at the subject matter is an unreasonable response.
pikabot: (liz bang)

Re: 104

[personal profile] pikabot 2008-09-11 09:24 pm (UTC)(link)
You're right, it's very difficult to express that opinion without getting on people's toes. Perhaps, then, you either shouldn't, or be prepared for wank. You wouldn't go to a gaming forum and post about how violent video games glorify violence and how bad that is, and expect no reaction or a calm one. Same princible applies.

Re: 104

[identity profile] paperclipchains.livejournal.com 2008-09-11 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
It's fandomsecrets. This is the place for expressing opinions that step on people's toes. "Video games glorify violence" would be similarly appropriate here.
pikabot: (mifune)

Re: 104

[personal profile] pikabot 2008-09-11 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes. Fortunately, there's still that second option: Prepare for wank. When you express an opinion that is almost impossible to express without coming off as accusatory, I find it baffling that one would then look around and wonder what, exactly, people are getting all defensive about.

Re: 104

[identity profile] paperclipchains.livejournal.com 2008-09-11 09:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Who's to say the OP wasn't braced for wank? I don't think she's posted anywhere.
pikabot: (maka fancy)

Re: 104

[personal profile] pikabot 2008-09-11 09:52 pm (UTC)(link)
The 'one' I was referring to is you, not the OP. You ask why people react badly whenever the topic comes up, it's because people get defensive when people start talking at/about them in an accusatory tone. You say that it's hard to express that opinion without sounding accusatory, to which I reply that in that case you should either keep quiet about it, or, if you do feel the need to express it, not be surprised when people take it poorly.

Re: 104

[identity profile] paperclipchains.livejournal.com 2008-09-11 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
No, I stated that people react badly and defensively. I'm not surprised at all.

Re: 104

[identity profile] attses.livejournal.com 2008-09-12 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)
"I find a very personal part of your psyche repulsive" Uh-huh. I think the issue is with YOU, if you try saying that to submissives, and not with the response they get to being attacked.


Protip: "Repulsive" is an attack.

Re: 104

(Anonymous) 2008-09-11 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
is it always accusatory or do you just always assume it is? I think the person was just hurt and upset and didnt really think about it. i dont think she was trying to accuse anyone of anything. i think everyone is being a tad too defensive. it's fine if people want to disagree with what she said, but i dont understand this level of spite towards her. So she's upset about what happened to her? HOW DARE SHE BE. -_-
pikabot: (kamina)

Re: 104

[personal profile] pikabot 2008-09-11 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe she didn't intend for it to come off as accusatory. Doesn't change the fact that she did.

If reading about rape upsets her perhaps she should, you know, not do that.

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(Anonymous) 2008-09-11 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe she, you know, doesn't read about rape. It's perfectly possible to be aware of rape kinks, rape fantasies, etc, without actually reading them. I'm not the OP, and I've never been raped, and I don't read "non-con" rape fic, and I still find it fucking offensive.
pikabot: (Gold Roger)

Re: 104

[personal profile] pikabot 2008-09-11 09:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Good for you.

Are you also offended by the OP wishing rape onto the writers of rapefics? because if you aren't, that's pretty goddamn hypocritical.

Re: 104

(Anonymous) 2008-09-11 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
she still wishes rape on her friend so that maybe she'd gain more sensitivity.

that's pretty fucked up, too.

want sensitivity and sympathy? need to show it, to get it. just the way the world works.

Re: 104

(Anonymous) 2008-09-11 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Except for the part where she never said that, and in fact said right at the beginning of the secret that she would "never, EVER" wish rape on anyone. *shakes head*

Re: 104

(Anonymous) 2008-09-11 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
So she's upset about what happened to her? HOW DARE SHE BE. -_-

Inorite? How DARE she let the experience of an undoubtedly deeply traumatic, horrifying crime that may scar her for life interfere with people's fapping sessions? It just boggles the mind, doesn't it?