[ SECRET POST #4440 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4440 ⌋

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Re: Weird beliefs that are a deal breaker for you... (inspired by secret 7)

[(Anonymous)]

"Truth is that there's very little we know first hand and even that is subjected to bias. Everything else we just have to take on goodwill..."

... no? I mean sure, there might be a few things we don't understand and have to go on faith, but you're talking like this is how most of the world works. That's not true. When you get in a car, you're not going on blind faith that it won't catch fire and blow up when you put it into gear - that car has gone through years of design and testing, followed by watchdog organizations who keep track of its reliability, etc. Sure, it's not 100% foolproof, but it's definitely not a case of "Oh well, nobody knows whether this will work or not and we have to trust blindly in not dying!"

Re: Weird beliefs that are a deal breaker for you... (inspired by secret 7)

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, you probably and I definitely don't know the mechanics of how exactly a car works. I can reasonably expect that it won't catch fire and blow up or whatever because I see that put into practice on a daily basis and I trust the watchdog organizations, but I don't know why that is and will probably never know fully because the time and effort to learn about the chemistry, optimization, and mechanics behind it isn't worth it to me. Because I don't have that knowledge, if someone who seemed like they had background were to tell me that G8 engines are fine but the new G12 engines are terrible and more likely to cause cars to catch fire and explode because they're cost effective in the short term, I'd probably believe them even if it was a lie. I might even be reluctant to get a new car depending on how much I trusted them.

And there's plenty more I don't understand beyond the most superficial level. And there's a few subject, like nutrition, misinformation is rampant and figuring out who to trust so you can learn more about it is pretty difficult. Even then conventional wisdom changes and what was thought to be the best method may turn out to be bullshit. We can reasonably expect it's not, but we don't know for certain. And if someone colors that uncertainty in just the right way, it's all downhill from there.

I guess my point is that conspiracy theories prey on ignorance and I think everyone is plenty ignorant.

Re: Weird beliefs that are a deal breaker for you... (inspired by secret 7)

[(Anonymous)]

That's the point, though... not knowing how something works personally isn't the same thing as blind faith. You might not know how a car works exactly, but you're aware of the history and development of motor vehicles. Just because your knowledge of cars isn't first hand doesn't mean you're going in blind. Most countries have a process by which things like cars are vetted. They have safety laws. It's not "good will".

"Because I don't have that knowledge, if someone who seemed like they had background were to tell me that G8 engines are fine but the new G12 engines are terrible and more likely to cause cars to catch fire and explode because they're cost effective in the short term, I'd probably believe them even if it was a lie."

I'm not trying to be mean here, but that's gullibility, not "good will". Your disinclination to check things out for yourself doesn't mean there's no possible way for anyone to do that.

Even then conventional wisdom changes and what was thought to be the best method may turn out to be bullshit.

You're leaving out the reason why those things change. It's not arbitrary. It doesn't just happen out of the blue. It changes because our knowledge grows and we make new, better decisions based upon that new knowledge. That's the scientific method right there. Again... it's nothing to do with good will and blind trust.


I guess my point is that conspiracy theories prey on ignorance and I think everyone is plenty ignorant.

Yes...? I'm not sure what your point is. Are we supposed to overlook the ignorance of people who believe in nutty conspiracy theories because ignorance is a common problem? Remember, the reason why most sane, reasonably intelligent people know that the nutty conspiracy theories are untrue isn't because they're trusting on good will or placing their faith on equally vague reasoning. We know that the earth is not flat because scientists have observed it, measured it, photographed it, etc. We're not trusting in good will that it's not flat. Our believe in the Earth's shape is backed up by hard evidence in ways that flat-earthers' beliefs are not. You're trying to argue that both approaches are the same or comparable. They're not.