[ SECRET POST #4444 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4444 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom]


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[Mary Skelter]


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[The Final Table, Charles and Rodrigo]


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[Altered Carbon]


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[Katie Perry/Orlando Bloom engagement]


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[Fandom: Fruits Basket]










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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Shipteasing is not the same thing as queerbaiting, though. And shoujo manga is always full of het shipteasing that never goes anywhere (see: the million and one shoujo manga where there are multiple potential love interests, but it's always clear who the heroine is ultimately going to end up with), so I'm baffled as to why people thought the same-sex shipteasing would go anywhere either.

[(Anonymous)]

For one thing, most of the characters people are complaining about as far as queerbaiting had nothing to do with the main love triangle. It was always obvious that Yuki and Kyo weren't going to hook up, because one of them was getting with Tohru. On the other hand, Hatsuharu suddenly actually having a girlfriend that he loves more than Yuki, Ayame's assistant being revealed over half the series in to be his girlfriend, Shigure being in love with Akito who conveniently turns out to be a woman, Hana-chan who sure seemed awfully in love with Tohru suddenly having a thing for Kazuma (and ending up babies ever after with an unnamed person in the sequel)...sure reads like queerbaiting to me. Every single character who showed even the slightest hint of less-than-heterosexual interest neatly ends up in a proper het relationship at the end. No one gets to be ambiguous, or even unattached. None of that has anything to do with the main trio, or with ship tease -- that Hana couldn't end up with Tohru doesn't mean she needed a man by the end of the manga, but the author stuck that in there just in case you dared to hope she might be gay. That's queerbaiting.

[(Anonymous)]

Queerbaiting is about intent. The author of a very romance-focused and very Japanese shojo manga would not have had the faintest clue that gay relationships were something real people did in seriousness after middle school, much less put them in her story. It's ok for Haru and Hana to have Yuki and Tohru as first loves because they're just growing out of adolescence and will obviously find an opposite sex partner they love for real. Everyone reading the manga knew that unless they were a Westerner, and then they were never the target audience anyway. Your fault for viewing it through a progressive Western lens.

[(Anonymous)]

Because naturally no shoujo manga would ever really have one of their characters be gay! Like how in Cardcaptor Sakura, published in the same time frame as Furuba, Tomoyo seemed gay for Sakura but it was actually just a pha....wait, no, she really was canonically gay for Sakura. But then there was also high school age Touya who was ready to find the partner he loved for real...wait, that was Yukito, they're gay too, I forgot. (Also saying 'just a first love' still doesn't explain Ayame or the bait and switch with Shigure and Akito.) It's queerbaiting.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

Yeah, the intent to draw in fujo readers. Like what the hell is this defense of the Japanese's whacko view of sexuality and school age crushes. That shit is homophobic, and a product of a homophobic society. We can criticize it.

[(Anonymous)]

The author of a very romance-focused and very Japanese shojo manga would not have had the faintest clue that gay relationships were something real people did in seriousness after middle school

Really?

[(Anonymous)]

Right? That's straight-up insulting.

[(Anonymous)]

Nayrt
Yeah. It has this very skeevy "they're ignorant because of their regressive culture, it's not their fault!" vibe...

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, please stop with this disgusting weeb "you'd ~get it~ if you weren't a ~westerner~" shit, because you're wrong. Like, you are 100% genuinely flat-out wrong about everything you're saying, and it's a trope that tons of fans in Japan actually hate. It's a completely old-fashioned and out-of-date way of looking at relationships, and it was then too.

Source: lived in Japan. Have Japanese friends that live in Japan. Engaged with Japanese media with Japanese people in Japan.

[(Anonymous)]

You're the reason people hate weeaboos.

[(Anonymous)]

She still put that shit in there to bait fujos and yaoi shippers. It was intentional and she knew what she was doing. She then went waaay out her way to make sure everything is as straight as possible, to the point of absurdity, to the point of making a previously male character female at the 11th hour for no real reason, or played off any gay hints as just a hilarious joke, like "hahaha, imagine thinking any of these gay implications atually meant anything". And anons have given you at least 3 different examples of shoujo series' that predate or were made around the same time as Furuba that didn't pull the shit that Natsuki Takaya did. Accept that already, you degenerate weeb.