[ SECRET POST #616 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #616 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

Re: 154

[aberration]

I'd agree that neither of them have to be right in this relationship. Like I said below, I don't mind Bob and Elle's relationship, because Bob is clearly portrayed in a way that to me says 'this is wrong, he's an asshole.' Noah is visibly set apart from Bob in that he didn't do to his daughter what Bob did to Elle, and I believe he's portrayed differently in general, which makes it problematic to me. If anything, what I'm getting from the show is the impression that Noah manipulating Elle may be a form of a teaching her a lesson that leads into or is part of her possible redemption arc... which still makes me uncomfortable.

And as for the Angela comparison - Angela is attacked by Maury and Matt Parkman as a direct result of her actions as part of the Company, and unlike Bennet when he's attacked by Matt and Ted, she isn't able to really take control of the situation or prevent her attackers from getting what they want herself. Both of her sons have at varying points expressed distrust and resentment toward her. At the end of story lines in which Claire expresses the same toward her father, she's either apologizing and crying before he gets himself shot, or apologizing and crying as she spreads his fake ashes. While Peter and Nathan have in turn somewhat reconciled with their mother, I've never seen them feel the need to apologize for what they've said about her, and it's perfectly fair to say that maybe they don't need to. But to me, there's a difference in the portrayal of those two characters.

(And let me stress - it's a portrayal issue to me. I find the actions in and of themselves less problematic than the way the I believe the characters and actions are being portrayed.)

154 OP

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for saying this all so beautifully. :)

Re: 154

[ryuutchi.livejournal.com]

And that's the irreconcilable difference, here. I don't see HRG as being portrayed differently. I think he's portrayed as a guy who is pretty genuinely screwed up in the head. Noah's set apart from Bob because Bob does not actually care about his daughter, where that's part of Noah's fucked-upedness-- that he loves Claire, but he's a ruthless, manipulative jackass and probably will never stop being that. They're different characters and that's okay.

I... completely disagree with the Angela thing, but okay.