[ SECRET POST #4459 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4459 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Dan Bern, WTNV, I Only Listen To the Mountain Goats, the Mountain Goats]



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[The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel]


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[Director James Gunn, Guardians of the Galaxy franchise]











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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[philstar22]

The comic books had time, though. In the movies only Steve and Bucky and then Tony and Rhodey had that time. Friendships take time. Steve and Natasha had some side missions together and the time to get closer as friends. They couldn't really give Steve and Tony that time because Downey is a major actor and if he'd been in Cap 2, the movie would have become more about him. And Cap 2 needed to be about the Steve and Bucky friendship.

[nightscale]

Not starting by having the two of them butting heads would have helped imo, because that didn't do anything to endear me to their MCU relationship much and I'm not saying that they should have instantly adored one another but something better than that. And not just for those two but the whole core Avengers, I buy genuine friendships for a few pairs of them, but the rest just feel like co-workers at best no matter how much the films try to convince me otherwise.

It's just a hang-up I have with the MCU is all and I can still enjoy the movies despite that but... just wish they'd done that aspect better.

[philstar22]

I guess I was so sold on the Steve and Bucky friendship in the first Cap movie that it didn't bother me. I wasn't really into the comics, so I didn't have all this history. I just saw a friendship that drew me in, and I didn't really have to have another that was the same. It worked for me that they were two very different people who worked together and became work friends, but they both had these other close friendships that were more important.

[nightscale]

The Steve and Bucky friendship is fine, actually tbh I prefer the MCU version over the comics because I think the foundation is more solid(ymmv on that though, this is just me), and Steve's relationships with Sam and Natasha also work partly because his movies give those friendships more time and because the base-line interactions are overall friendlier(at least to me).

Steve+Clint, Tony and Thor are just... a lot emptier to me, and yeah part of it is definitely because I read the comics first and thus had relationships to compare them to, but even then to me it just doesn't feel as though the movies try as hard with those?

Unlike with Clint+Nat where the Avengers movies are always very good at showing how close they are and how much they mean to one another and despite my disinterest in Clint overall I really like that relationship because it's clear they've been friends for a long while.

Idk, it obviously works for enough people and that's fine, but for me the core-Avengers team friendships are lacking but I can ignore it to enjoy the rest of the movies. And tbh there are really solid friendships in the MCU so it's not like those not working for me is insurmountable. I just ignore the movies trying to tell me that Steve+Tony were 'super-close!!' when nothing ever really suggested that.

[philstar22]

That makes sense. And I agree that they weren't super close. I guess I just don't need to me. The Avengers, for the most part, to me are "work friends." Acquaintances who work together and therefore know each other pretty well, but their friendship is based on work and they aren't so likely to meet up outside of work things (apart from the occasional shawarma meal). Their is still a relationship there that gets torn in Civil War and needs repairing so they can work together again. But I don't think they are best friends in the movies, and I'm not sure the creators intended them to be.

[nightscale]

Hey no it's cool to disagree, it works for you so that's fine. :)

I guess part of me just wanted something a little closer to the more 'found family' vibe that the comics get but they never went there, which alas I suppose but oh well, I can live with the good friendships they do have in the MCU because those are great.

Tbh narritively I do get the impression that the movies think we should consider Steve+Tony closer than they are and I kind of squint at it but otherwise ignore it, it doesn't really bother me.