[ SECRET POST #4462 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4462 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

From someone who has not watched the movie, reading the actual script, I have no idea what she's talking about there.

How does being sterilized by a group that believes (idiotically?) that children are the only thing that could possibly supercede a mission, (forget every other possible reason to defect, 'cause children > all) make anybody a monster?

The only logical thing I get from the actual script is "I chose to be sterilized so that killing would be easier, therefore I am a monster, because being sterilized for that reason is bad"? Except that only makes sense if you believe or agree that some thing of intrinsic value was lost via sterilization, which it seems she does and the movie agrees with that position?

What is that dialogue even

[(Anonymous)]

I think the intent is "I was broken down and completely rebuilt to optimize my killing power, and sometimes that makes me feel like a monster"

Or something along those lines

[(Anonymous)]

But... why? Are people who train to be snipers, who train for years and optimize themselves to shoot people in the head, monsters then? I'm totally confused about what they're trying to say.

[(Anonymous)]

I would expect lots of snipers probably do have PTSD and other mental health issues, and it would probably be worse if they were both brainwashed and subject to actual bodily modifications against their will.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you, but is that what the movie is actually trying to say with that scene?

"I was forced into body modifications against my will" would be way clearer than "They sterilize you because children are the only thing that people would defect for (wut)"?

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that it's incredibly poorly phrased and almost incomprehensible! But I think that's what they were going for.

[(Anonymous)]

"They sterilize you. It's efficient. One less thing for them to worry about. One fewer thing that might matter more than a mission. Your self. Your body. Your future. They take everything from you, to make killing easier. That's all you live to do. That's all I lived to do.

You still think you're the only monster on the team?"

It'd be so easy to fix.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, exactly.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I pretty much took it as: she was raised by abusive people who maimed her and then told her she was now useless for doing anything but what they wanted. And she believed them.

Most of my reading of that scene was that she internalized what they told her. Which, you know, happens in abusive situations.

But that's also the movie where we see her deeply immersed in Clint's home life, "Aunty Nat" who was getting one of the kids named after her and clearly loved by all of them. So while the Bruce/Nat romance felt a bit meh to me, and she's still got lingering trauma from the Red Room, Natasha is loved, and I adored that about the movie.

[(Anonymous)]

... most snipers aren't tinkered with biologically and sterilized, tho.

[(Anonymous)]

Probably because most organizations don't randomly go "we need to sterilize people because children and father/motherhood are the one reason people would defect"...

The way that's phrased is off the WTF scale.