[ SECRET POST #4468 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4468 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

People also often have very different conceptions of what "equal rights" actually entail, and to what extent those equal rights actually exist in our society.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, but that's not exclusive to misogynists. I'm just taking a guess here, but I doubt you'd agree much with a maternal feminist.

[(Anonymous)]

Just because someone calls themselves a "feminist" in some weird definition does not in and of itself indicate very much at all.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, anyone who calls themselves a feminist is a feminist. It works for womanhood, after all.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, there we go

[(Anonymous)]

Ah.




A TERF.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, I don't consider myself any kind of feminist because I consider it activist and I don't do any activism. Plus TERFs have too much of a victim complex for me to bother with them.

It just seems silly to me that people who explicitly call themselves feminists and believe that their belief set is the best way to bring about equality aren't really feminist because they don't fit your definition of feminist, but anyone who calls themselves is a woman is one because there's no one definition of a woman.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

I'll admit it was a shitty example and I should have used a better one, but why are you against self labeling in the initial instance but okay with it in the other one? What's the difference?

[(Anonymous)]

Because one is "for equal rights for all regardless of gender" and one is extremely fucking personal because it has to do with how you view yourself as a person. Some people don't view themselves as what they're born as, full stop. No one is born a feminist.

[(Anonymous)]

Babies don't have a concept of gender though. IIRC, it happens sometime around five, give or take, depending on how entrenched the society's concept of gender is. This roughly the same time kids learn about the golden rule, which is feminist if we're going by your definition.

[(Anonymous)]

(I am the anon who made the comment about 'some weird definition' but I am not the anon that you are responding to right now)

What I said was that calling yourself a feminist doesn't necessarily mean very much if you're using some weird, narrow definition of it. And I think that's true. I don't know who does and does not count as a real feminist, and I don't know if there is an answer to that question. If someone has an idea of feminism that's built specifically around motherhood, or that doesn't think that society is unfairly prejudiced against women, it's not really up to me to say whether or not they can use the label. But I can say that it's a very non-standard definition of feminism, that it doesn't have very much connection to most mainstream understandings of the term, and that it's not a very useful term the way that they're using it.

The thing with trans stuff is that trans people are, for the most part, working within an existing spectrum of gender identities that's flexible and complex to start with. So it's relatively straightforward to see what the meaning of those identities is, and the ways in which different gender identities can be coherent and valid and meaningful. And obviously there's still a lot of complexity here, and there are things like ethnic identity where self-labeling generally isn't considered acceptable, because those identities are structured in a different way.

(disclaimer, I am not trans myself)