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⌈ Secret Post #4472 ⌋

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Re: Post a controversial topic

[ayebydan]

Sometimes vegan food demands (such as quinoa) cause more damage to people and societies than locally sourced meats, and a balance has to be found between plant only products and the people who provide those products to others as well as the impact the fall of meat and dairy consumption has on subsistence farmers who are in those industries.

Re: Post a controversial topic

[(Anonymous)]

I think the quinoa deprivation narrative was ultimately factually incorrect but I don't have a source to hand

Re: Post a controversial topic

[ayebydan]

I have seen many interviews with the people in question so that is fascinating to me. If you ever stumble across the source and don't mind taking the time, I'd be interested in taking a look.

Re: Post a controversial topic

[sparrow_lately]

Source dump (NA):

I hate markup and I'm on mobile so it's ugly.

Rising demand and prices for quinoa might have a net benefit for producers.
http://webapps.towson.edu/cbe/economics/workingpapers/2016-06.pdf
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/07/16/202737139/is-our-love-of-quinoa-hurting-or-helping-farmers-who-grow-ithttps://thesis.eur.nl/pub/13122/>for producers.

Especially women! Maybe. https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2016/jul/17/quinoa-threat-food-security-improving-peruvian-farmers-lives-superfood

It MIGHT however have a net bad effect on people's health, in part cuz they earn money and buy more processed western food.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/16/vegans-stomach-unpalatable-truth-quinoa
https://www.motherjones.com/food/2013/01/quinoa-good-evil-or-just-really-complicated

It might also threaten food security for producers and others in the area, though, which some of the above links discuss.
As with everything, it's all about the means of production and the treatment of the workers.

Finally, while vegans are a part of increased quinoa production, calls for meat in its place isn't sustainable long-term either. (No link that's just how it be.)

Re: Post a controversial topic

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who has been a vegetarian for 25+ years, this right here. I live in southern California, where even if we massively step up desalinization + toliet-to-tap purification, there’s just not enough water to grow food and have any left over for, say, drinking and bathing. We get a lot of our water from the Colorado, and it’s drying up.

And while beef cattle, at least as raised in the US, require a lot of water, goats, rabbits, and chickens require way less and can live on marginal land that takes massive imputs of water and fertilizer to grow human-edible crops. With careful husbandry, they can improve and build soil, and still make milk, meat, eggs, and leather.

But taking marginal cropland out of production and using it to pasture smallish animals would require reworking a lot of how the US, or at least the drought-prone areas of the US, handles agriculture, animal husbandry, and what and how much meat and dairy people eat, so farmers committed to the current system might still get screwed, idk.

Re: Post a controversial topic

[(Anonymous)]

tbf, there's already a lot really fucked up concerning the government and agriculture. small farms are going out of business because the system is rigged against their success, but we still need farms. so while overhauling the US farm infrastructure might have some impact on meat and dairy farms, it would probably be an improvement over what we've already got.

generally though yeah you're right. California could be a national leader in sustainable practices but instead it's getting sucked dry to sate the need for almond products. it really sucks.

Re: Post a controversial topic

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT—Argh, I went to the grocery store the other day and they had two varieties of soy milk and fucking uncountable varieties of almond milk, and part of my brain went “okay, however many almonds are in each carton, each of them took a carton of water or so to grow.” Soy is no environmental panacea, but tree nuts make beans look like a conservationist’s best friend. Hell, where I am, macadamia nuts are a better crop than almonds.

Also, lo these many moons ago, my parents owned a small farm. Last I checked, the most recent owners kept racehorses, had a private airstrip put in, and grew jack squat. Productive farmland being turned into tract housing, or even worse, rich people’s private resorts, pisses me off no end.

Re: Post a controversial topic

[(Anonymous)]

Other issues include that switching to a plants-only diet provides less food per acre than mixed use agriculture, the water issues mentioned below, the fact that many humans cannot subsist on plant-derived proteins because plant proteins make up a significant percentage of potentially deadly allergies, and B12 deficiencies cause neurological and cardiovascular problems. There's nothing wrong with veganism as a personal choice, but isn't particularly good for the environment (particularly if you're promoting vegan leather, yikes) and, at best, won't significantly impact the health of most adults. It doesn't solve any problems beyond "what's for dinner tonight."

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[(Anonymous)]

This isn't exactly true.

The fact is, the amount of greenhouse emission generated depends on the food. You should stop eating beef entirely; beef takes a huge toll on the environment. On the other hand, lettuce also has a pretty hefty environmental toll. Many plant-based foods can be rough, but generally speaking it is true that vegetarianism is does reduce your carbon footprint. And at least reducing meat intake is probably a crucial step for our planet's future - especially since many people eat way more meat than they need, too.

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[(Anonymous)]

Long time vegetarian here—check this out!

https://www.sciencealert.com/adding-seaweed-to-cattle-feed-could-reduce-methane-production-by-70

Also, some of the biggest contributers to global warming in meat production aren’t from cattle themselves, but from corn grown as cattle feed, fertilized with fossil fuel derivatives, and transported with more fossil fuels, followed by transporting slaughtered animals using yet more fossil fuels. Fossil fuel transportation and fertilization are also issues with food crops. I mean, yes, people should eat less beef, but also the whole agricultural system in the US (that we are increasingly exporting elsewhere) needs to be reworked. Removing animal products entirely would be as much an environmental disaster as everyone on Earth adopting a Western style meat-centric diet.

Re: Post a controversial topic

[(Anonymous)]

It's true that some vegan-alternatives are not environmentally friendly. But it's also true that in general, vegetarianism is better for the planet. (It's also true that not all meat is equal in terms of greenhouse emission, certainly a chicken wandering a farm free range is doing less damage than cows.)

Best bet is to reduce meat intake if you can, but try to buy local where possible. Try to incorporate foods with a less harmful impact into your diet more actively.

Re: Post a controversial topic

[(Anonymous)]

I just think it's really silly when vegans say "but most of the soy production goes into cattle food". Yes, it does. But if the entire world population switched to vegan food, the demand for soy products would skyrocket as well and there would be need for even more soy than for all the cattle now.