[ SECRET POST #4473 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4473 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Note from OP: All images obtained without creepy family stalking: James & Sullivan Marsters' from a promo shot for their band, Jensen & JJ Ackles' from Jensen's public Instagram]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

There's also the whole element of identity discourse around assigning people identities that they didn't necessarily claim for themselves. (but honestly I didn't really see that much Discourse around the Mr Rogers stuff from any angle)

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, though if Mr Rogers did tell Clemmons not to let anyone know he was gay and be straight in public, he was assigning roles in a sense as well.

In 1968, Fred Rogers told Clemmons that while his sexuality did not matter to him personally, Clemmons could not be "out" and continue appearing on Mister Rogers' Neighborhood, because of the scandal that would arise.[12][13] In the late 1960s, Rogers and others suggested that Clemmons get married as a way to deal with his sexual orientation, which he did.[14] His marriage to wife Carol did not work out, and Clemmons divorced in 1974 so that he could live openly as a gay man.[5][12] Rogers remained personally supportive of Clemmons, but required him to avoid any indication of his homosexuality – such as the earring he began to wear as a signifier – on the program.[12]

Personally I'm not enraged about it or anything, I understand where his priorities might have lay, but it is disappointing.

[tabaqui]

Sure, but....Rogers was a *very* Xian man, and the sixties/seventies children's programming wasn't like it is now, with more topics of this kind being dealt with. He already touched on stuff no other program would dare do, so....

I just cant' hold him to my own, personal standard. And I still think he is probably one of the best humans to ever live in the 20th century.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT - I agree. I mean, yes it's always kind of a bummer to learn that your wonderful paternal idol (or whatever other kind of idol) did in fact have feet of clay. And in some cases, what you learn about someone is really shitty and you can't really forgive them for it. But for me, this just isn't one of those cases.

I do feel terrible for Clemmons, though, and definitely want the injustice he faced to be my biggest takeaway from this whole thing.

[tabaqui]

I watched that documentary about Rogers not long ago, and he was on there. He seemed to not hold any grudges about it, and seemed to still think very fondly of him.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm glad he seemed okay, that's a relief, that's good.

I didn't so much mean the injustice that he faced from Rogers, because it genuinely sounds like Rogers was loyal to and supportive of Clemmons in his own way, even though by today's standards it wasn't nearly enough. I just mean, the injustice Clemmons faced, period - from the industry, from society.

[tabaqui]

Yeah. So very many people who were treated so terribly, and lived lives of fear, unhappiness, thwarted love.... It's horrible to think on it.