[ SECRET POST #4473 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4473 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Note from OP: All images obtained without creepy family stalking: James & Sullivan Marsters' from a promo shot for their band, Jensen & JJ Ackles' from Jensen's public Instagram]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It's wild to think how much public opinion has shift on gayness. While it's good that the younger generation doesn't deal with as much homophobia, I think they don't get how bad it was.

[(Anonymous)]

Yup. I think it's mostly that people really wanted to think of Fred Rogers as a voice of change and acceptance. Rather than one of don't ask don't tell. Which was radical in its own day, but hasn't stood up over time either.

[(Anonymous)]

True.

Let's be honest here. In the 60s and 70s the degree to which film and broadcasting were willing to cover for gay men was directly proportional to how much money they earned for the business. Cole Porter had an entire movie covering for him. For someone like Clemmons in Public Television, which had just won an ugly fight in congress for the right to even exist?

[(Anonymous)]

oh I know, right? the strides are miraculous and worth celebrating. but on the flip side, them younguns need to know their history and know that how we view things now is not how we always viewed things.

[(Anonymous)]

They really, really don't. They cannot even fathom what it would've been like for a *presbyterian minister* to be openly queer, and be on tv. People would've burned him in effigy. Elton John came out as bi in Playboy in 1976 - NO ONE DID THIS. I could list all the things that happened to him as a result, but the point is, coming out was not a thing then unless you wanted to be hounded by people, fear for your life, and possibly under investigation by the police.

I think people often have good intentions but Tumblr is a) largely a circlejerk and b) a very limited perspective on anything that has historical context.

[(Anonymous)]

One branch of the Presbyterian church approved ordination of LGBTQ people at the local level in 2011.

[(Anonymous)]

People born into a world where Modern Family, the Real O'Neal's, The Fosters, The Legend of Korra, and gay Doctor Who characters exist don't really have the experience of gay themes being considered inappropriate for children. In the late 90s, there were openly gay characters and actors but all on shows aimed at adults/older teens. Because no matter how accepting people were becoming of gayness, it was still seen as an adult topic.

A children's show wouldn't touch the concept even that "recently".

[(Anonymous)]

This. I personally know a bunch of gay people from that era who got married to someone of the opposite sex because they literally could NOT be out if they wanted to keep their jobs, not be ostracized, etc. It was really, really bad back then, and I don't think people from this generation understand that.

[(Anonymous)]

They really don't. I grew up bi in the American south in the 70s-80s and you had to be very careful about who you told, it was perfectly legal to get kicked out of your apartment or rental house and fired from your job for being queer, ffs! Never mind oh, getting killed because of it. Holy shit some of these ignorant children need to crack a history book.

[(Anonymous)]

You know perfectly well that this isn't in the history books

[(Anonymous)]

You know perfectly well that AYRT wasn't talking about "the" history books they give you in school.

[(Anonymous)]

Yup. And then they're still perfectly able to pull out talk about how being gay is so terrifying for them because of rampant homophobia when it suits them, like when they want to bully other queer identities out of their community because "nobody has to live in fear of being killed for being asexual." They so want it both ways.

[(Anonymous)]

If someone is straight and asexual then they're not queer

[osidiano]

ding dong you are wrong

If you're asexual, you're not straight. Straight people want to have sex with people of the opposite gender. Asexual people don't want to have sex with anyone. And if you think female presenting people aren't getting murdered for refusing to fuck dudes they don't wanna fuck then whooooo boi do I got news for you

[(Anonymous)]

You know straight women get killed for refusing guys sex too, right?

[(Anonymous)]

And so do lesbians. It has nothing to do with being queer, it has to do with guys feeling entitled to sex and women refusing it.

[osidiano]

Uh... Both lesbians and straight women present as female. Like, that was very specific phrasing on my part, y'all. I did that to include them.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm too young to remember personally, but when my mum was at university in the mid-70s, she was already engaged to my dad, but he wasn't nearby, so she and another female friend in the same situation used to go out with a gay couple because it made it look like two heterosexual couples going out, and there would be less trouble. And that was in a fairly 'liberal' metropolitan area.