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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-09-19 05:13 pm

[ SECRET POST #623 ]


⌈ Secret Post #623 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Re: 123

(Anonymous) 2008-09-21 03:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I simply took what I knew about canon and interpreted the character reactions to their individual situations as being proof of possible sexism on the author's part. I never actually wondered (in cases like D.Gray-man) why it was that the author chose, consciously or unconsciously, to write the characters into those positions in the first place. It looks like I might need some work there, so thank you for making me think about that. On the other hand, though, as a fan of American comics, I have definitely wondered what spurred some writers to put their female characters in certain positions and their male characters in others. It's just so much harder to see in series like D.Gray-man or Fullmetal Alchemist, for example, which includes female characters attempting to break free of the roles dealt out to them.

The way I see it, Hoshino may be influenced by the sexist views in society, or she may not be. There may be some subconscious ideas about women at work that led her to unwittingly put Lenalee in positions that the male characters would not be put in. Of course, I don't think either of us will ever know for sure. She might have chosen to write Lenalee, Allen, or any other characters into certain situations like that for reasons that we as readers can't really interpret. But it is something to think about.

And no, I'm no mind-reader. I've been drawing on my own personal experiences with fans who dislike Lenalee, and some of them have admitted that the problems they have with her lie in her portrayal as a female character. I can understand that to an extent, even though I myself don't take issue with the portrayal of female characters in D.Gray-man.

Yet still, some other fans were not able to provide a legitimate reason for disliking her or holding her to a different standard. I guess it's cynical of me to automatically assume that many fans who dislike her will be more inclined towards the last option. Or is it? I've found in some fandoms that quite a few fans simply don't take time to think about gender theory or how they're wrongfully interpreting characters based on traits that are beyond the character's control. And they should, because everyone should.

Re: 123

[identity profile] lanjelin.livejournal.com 2008-09-21 03:51 pm (UTC)(link)
It's just so much harder to see in series like D.Gray-man or Fullmetal Alchemist, for example, which includes female characters attempting to break free of the roles dealt out to them.

Yeah, I mean, I think the female characters in DGM (and FMA for that matter) are all very good characters, really. The problems with them are just very, very subtle, and can create antipathy in people not prone to analysis. As you said, some people just don't think much about gender theory.

I just think that in general it's better to try and get a discussion going about why someone dislike her, and pick apart their reasoning until they ses the real problem. Or, alternatively, that there isn't much of a problem. Accusations will only make them more stubborn in their wilful dislike, I think.

She might have chosen to write Lenalee, Allen, or any other characters into certain situations like that for reasons that we as readers can't really interpret.

Imagine a world where, for example, The Millennium Earl, Cross and Sokaro would have been female, Miranda male, there being as many female as male exorcists without it changing a single thing in their personalities or the story. Seems impossible, doesn't it? That's how far we are from being free of sexist reasoning.

Re: 123

(Anonymous) 2008-09-21 03:58 pm (UTC)(link)
That's how far we are from being free of sexist reasoning.

Sadly, that's true. In the meantime, though, Leverrier can keep his biological sex. Haha.

Re: 123

[identity profile] lanjelin.livejournal.com 2008-09-21 04:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh my god, Leverrier. With the cakes. How do they manage to make him even more creepylicious? XD