[ SECRET POST #4495 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4495 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Secrets (fandom or non fandom)/unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, but, celebrities and models are still people too. They are still human beings, not canvases. And the fact that in general clothes are designed with models in mind rather than the everyday person is a big problem.

Re: Secrets (fandom or non fandom)/unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

They vast majority of clothing is designed for the everyday person. Banana Republic does not put on a traditional runway show. J. Crew does not dress celebrities. I'm laughing at the idea of Adele being caught dead in Torrid.

Couture and high-end RTW is designed for models and celebrities - i.e., human beings with personal cooks and trainers and aestheticians and surgeons and stylists and a whole team of people working to make them into the perfect canvas, as is required by their job description. I don't see the problem. When you're talking about a $3,300 jacket or a $900 pair of jeans, it seems a little ridiculous to frame it in terms of size inclusivity. Exclusivity in general is the entire point, hence the price tag. And exclusivity is what allows high-end designers to create impractical and artistic pieces instead of the yoga pants and hoodies and cheap polyester separates that most people live in and, indeed, seem to prefer to the highly tailored, structured, unconventional, and quickly dated garments produced by high-end designers.

Re: Secrets (fandom or non fandom)/unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I have a problem with the general idea of creating "impractical and artistic pieces" for people to wear, whoever those people are. Clothes are things to be worn. Bodies are not canvases. You want to make something that is just an art piece or first an art piece before anything else, make it. Just don't make it and then tell somebody to put it on their body to display it for you.

Re: Secrets (fandom or non fandom)/unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

SA

And if you're going to ask who it hurts, the commodification of women's bodies is a problem, and fashion absolutely plays a huge role in that. Clothes should be clothes, and anything else plays into the idea that women's bodies are themselves art there to be consumed.

Re: Secrets (fandom or non fandom)/unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Why can't they have different functions for different people or situations? Art is just a means of expression and bodies can express plenty.

Re: Secrets (fandom or non fandom)/unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

See the other comment I said about women's bodies being treated as being a thing for public consumption. Treating fashion as art only or art first rather than as clothes first and then art second contributes to the way women and their bodies are viewed by society.

Re: Secrets (fandom or non fandom)/unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Why can't clothes be art? Are you angry at fiberartists and cosplayers, too? If bodies are not canvases, why have people ever gotten tattoos or scarification or piercings, or worn makeup or body paint or jewelry, or styled their hair or, you know, given a shit about what they wear even if they don't care about fashion? I don't approve of the human canvas always being a certain body type or plus-size being dismissed as "too hard" but the human body is definitely a canvas and clothes can definitely be art.

Food is meant to be eaten and provide nutritional sustenance but that doesn't mean no one can ever get fancy with it, even if the result is not an optimally nutritionally balanced meal.

Re: Secrets (fandom or non fandom)/unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Someone using their own body as art and someone using someone else's body as just a form to put their art on are two completely different things. One is someone claiming their own body. The other is someone else using someone else's body and not even caring about the body or person except so far as it can be used to show off the artist's art.

Re: Secrets (fandom or non fandom)/unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

That's an awful lot of assumptions about designer/model relationships that's also incredibly dehumanizing to models who work in it.

Re: Secrets (fandom or non fandom)/unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

My issue isn't with women enjoying and wearing fashion. My issue is with fashion treating women as just a body to put their art on. Fashion de-humanizes women, and that's what bothers me.

Re: Secrets (fandom or non fandom)/unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I’m none of the anons in this thread and my only experiences with fashion/tailoring were a couple college courses and sewing my own cosplay. I’m also shorter than petite clothes are designed for and my BMI is 30. High fashion treats both women and men as animate clothes hangers. Society in general does commodify women’s bodies and treat us like shit if we don’t fit a very narrow ideal, but runway models all look pretty much like attenuated elves, whether or not they’re female.