[ SECRET POST #4495 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4495 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Secrets (fandom or non fandom)/unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

you and other anon are arguing two different scenarios which are both true at the same time. you're looking at it with a touch of Project Runway, where the designers are designing wearable clothing for real people and yet balk at the idea of designing for someone with 38-34-45 measurements. when it comes to off-the-rack (not "designer") clothing, yes, the fashion industry is shit and there's so much wrong with it that I don't even know where to begin. when Tim Gunn bitches out the industry for not thinking of real people you know something is wrong.

but the actual couture sphere, the Milan runways and the designs for rich celebrities who have nothing better to do with their lives than preen for cameras, that's kind of a different thing. It's entirely impractical, but it's a sphere that has created itself and sustains itself and really has no bearing on day to day off the rack clothing. real people have not exactly adapted runway couture to their daily lives for at least fifty or sixty years now. the further away we get from "Donna Karen dress turned into patterns which housewives make for themselves for dinner parties" the more the couture/art side has completely diverged from regular consumers. It's still kind of dumb in the way that sculpted cakes which waste perfectly good cake are dumb, but at least they keep that shit in their own bubble over there and it actually has very little to do with how terrible day-wear off-the-rack clothing is.

Re: Secrets (fandom or non fandom)/unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

There's a difference between clothes and cake, though. People don't wear cake. And regardless of whether contour is intended to be worn by the average person, its existence contributes to the idea of women's bodies as a thing to consume. They should make pretty things and not put them on people. By making their art as clothes they then have a responsibility to consider the person wearing what they've made.

Re: Secrets (fandom or non fandom)/unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

DA
Huh?

I guess everyone better stop wearing clothes them if they're about "consuming the body." "They should make pretty things and not put them on people." As a designer, making pretty things and putting them on people is kind of the point.

The female body and clothes have nothing to do with the concept that "the female body is meant to be consumed by males" aka the male gaze. Fashion history has plenty of examples from corsets to hoop skirts to short hair that women love and men hated and women used fashion as a form of control!

I think you're both missing the point of haute couture. Haute couture exists as a place for designers to experiment. Every designer works an experimental piece into their collection. It's the launch point for their work and only top "fashion leader" buyers are going to buy it. Haute Couture is like that for the entire fashion House. It inspires all the collections down to bridge wear. In the strict world of target market fashion design, yes, haute couture is the one place that high end designers can get "artsy."

When your translating those looks down to a price point and so many types of garments and having to hit target sewing times and specific prices, having an "arty, I can do whatever I want" is freeing.

Look, I get fashion isn't like a painting. Haute couture still has artistic value for those designers and other fashion designers and artistic creators as inspiration.

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[(Anonymous)]

or whatever lmao actually thanks for providing a fashion pov. I'm a tailor, so basically I make bank fixing the results of ready to wear clothing on "real" people. I only know some of what goes on in the design phase - enough to get by but not enough to be an expert. I know much more about patterns than I do design.

You're right, though, actual couture is where designers experiment and may come up with the next defining trend. There is a difference between that and the Met Gala art pieces. But the original anon equating Met Gala level art design to what ends up in stores was basically apples to oranges. There's a place for both, but to blame the result (off the rack clothing) on an unrelated cause (artsy designs) is what prompted me to step in.