[ SECRET POST #4512 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4512 ⌋

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Comments

[meadowphoenix]

1) That's not Luke struggling with the same temptation as his father, lmao. His father struggled with what he wanted personally v. what it was possible to achieve as a Jedi. That's not what Luke was struggling with Kylo. If you're going to say Luke makes a different choice re: Kylo than his dad, then I'm gonna need some more information. Luke actually struggling with actual darkness (which he absolutely did in the first trilogy), like if Snoke had been working on BOTH of them? That's fantastic. But that wasn't what happened so....i'm left with edgy motivations.

2)Okay, that's fine if you believe that but I just said I don't think that's what all the problems with Poe's storyline came down to. It's also in the very construction of the characters. I'm not sure what other movies have to do with this. I'm not nominating other movies for cult classic status.

3)I didn't say the movie relied on it, I said that the decision affected the depth of a major part of the movie, and a major character. I don't disagree about TFA, but TLJ can't exacerbate that and call itself good. To your point about Kylo. Okay why? Why is he trapped there? Why is he trapped there now? I don't know because I have no idea where he was, so I haven't the faintest idea what's stopping him from any movement now. You can say this deepened the character all you want, but unlike what i gave you about Rey, you clearly can't explain how any of Kylo's character beats have gained range or you would have. So yeah, that's film maker edginess.

You don't agree with me and you don't have to find any of this edgy, but you also don't have pretend I'm just being stupid.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think you're being stupid for disliking the movie. I think you're being stupid for saying that people who like the movie only like it because they like edgy high school bullshit.

Wrt Luke, I'm thinking of Luke struggling with the question of how do you use the power that you have as a Jedi? Anakin (influenced no doubt by Sidious) used his power to inflict indiscriminate violence in the service of what he thought was good. Luke was faced with that temptation. In response, he pulled back from the brink, and then went into exile, and then ultimately was inspired to return to try to act in ways that meaningfully improved the galaxy. That's sort of the high level version of what I'm talking about.

The thing with Poe is probably too involved to get into, but my basic point is that I think Poe's and Holdo's respectice motivations actually make sense on their own but they don't give the storyline time to breath and all of their motivations get reflected in actions that are stupid and frustrating because of that.

Kylo - to me - is trapped in the dark side because he thinks he's condemned to it by his heritage and by his choice to kill his father and symbolic father (and there's a consistent theme there where he's obviously trying to kill his own doubts about his own path by killing them), because he thinks that those choices mean that he is committed to it and because he can't imagine an alternative to it, even though emotionally and spiritually he's really not committed to it. So even when Rey offers him a way out, he doesn't understand what it means to take a way out even though he wants to, because he's unable to abandon those commitments that he made in his mind. He hates himself for it but he can't get out of it either. And that's what the setup is for ep 9. It's not about Snoke making him a puppet. It's about the legacy of the choices and mistakes he's made.

Imo!