[ SECRET POST #4521 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4521 ⌋

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Comments

[feotakahari]

I do think there are stories that shouldn’t exist, but I don’t think that necessarily justifies action to stop them from existing. I’d rather see them fail from lack of market. I also think there’s value in having at least one “anything goes” platform, but no one person or organization is required to provide that platform.

[(Anonymous)]

I think I more or less agree with this.

[(Anonymous)]

I definitely agree. I'm also aware that there are people who think the kinds of stories I tell (LGBTQ+ people having exciting adventures and happy endings) shouldn't exist.

[(Anonymous)]

I also think there are stories that I think shouldn't exist.

I also think that I have no right to impose that opinion. I think no one has the right to impose their opinion on that front.

[(Anonymous)]

But simply stating the opinion isn't the same as imposing it. And yet people act as though it was.

[(Anonymous)]

But it's kind of disingenuous to pretend that that's all people are doing when there are so many targeted harassment campaigns, doxxing and death threats and all that, against ~problematic~ content creators these days. Call-out culture has become an abusive monster in itself.

I absolutely agree people have the right to state that opinion. And they need to be able to handle being disagreed with in a calm and mature and non-violent fashion. Unfortunately, that's all too rare nowadays.

[(Anonymous)]

OK, but that still leaves OP's argument that every story has a right to exist as wrong and as an overreaction to that conduct.

[(Anonymous)]

Personally I happen to agree with OP on that front. Every story does have a right to exist. No story is immune to criticism of course - but the answer to bad speech is more and better speech counteracting it, not censorship.

Are there some stories the world is better off without? Sure, but there is no one on earth I would trust with the responsibility of making that call for all of them. Better to leave it wide-open and free-for-all and let the debate about them afterward put them in context.

[(Anonymous)]

What drives me nuts about this kind of argument is, what do you actually think a moral judgment is, for Pete's sake.

If I express the opinion that a certain story is morally wrong and that it doesn't have to exist, that doesn't entail me taking direct action to stop it from existing, nor do I think that my judgment is objective fact. But it still is my judgment and I think people who disagree with it are wrong. I think that they should change their minds and agree with me instead, and I think that they should choose not to write or publish certain stories.

Now what on Earth does any of that have to do with censorship? How does that entail making the call for anyone else? What kind of argument or debate do you envision happening that doesn't include expressing moral judgments?

[(Anonymous)]

The argument we're having right now - which is pretty civil so far, thank you for that - is the way this argument is always going to go. I'm not going to change your mind, you're not going to change mine, but the ideas are out in the open for everyone to see and bystanders are free to choose whether they agree with you, me, or neither of us.

That's how it SHOULD be, I think.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

We're both expressing moral judgments here. They're just different ones. Which is fine - neither of us are ~immoral~ for holding the opinions we do, our opinions are just shaped by different values.