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⌈ Secret Post #4526 ⌋

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Honestly, what's really different about being bummed out about a human celebrity's death vs. a cat celebrity?

You don't know either of them. They're both just ideas that you have a personal connection to. The idea of Grumpy Cat can affect people just as much as the idea of human celebrities.

You can't really mourn either, because again, you have no real relation to them. But as far as being a fan of something/someone you admired from a distance, Grumpy Cat surely has as much impact (if not more) to her fans.

+100

You can't really mourn either, because again, you have no real relation to them.

This is very unkind.

You absolutely can mourn a death. You didn't personally know a celeb, but that doesn't mean they didn't have an affect on your life, or that it doesn't feel like a loss.

Also:

mourn
[ mawrn, mohrn ]
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SEE MORE SYNONYMS FOR mourn ON THESAURUS.COM
verb (used without object)
to feel or express sorrow or grief.
to grieve or lament for the dead.
to show the conventional or usual signs of sorrow over a person's death.
verb (used with object)
to feel or express sorrow or grief over (misfortune, loss, or anything regretted); deplore.
to grieve or lament over (the dead).
to utter in a sorrowful manner.

okay but the whole ~it's a commentary~ thing seems to be based on the idea that people aren't sad enough about Real! People! Dying!, even when they didn't know them at all

if you're just talking about "the affect they had on your life" then there's no reason why human celebrities and animal celebrities should have some kind of moral hierarchy. grumpy cat also had an effect on many people's lives!

you can mourn *when* they die, you can be sad, but you said it yourself, it's about you, it's not about mourning them

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(Anonymous) - 2019-05-29 11:37 (UTC) - Expand

Grief is rarely logical. People often mourn ideas as well as people and animals.

I think it may be that having had and lost a cat, or having had and lost a beloved pet, is a much more universally experienced or relatable feeling by all ages and types of people, than feeling attached to any one particular celebrity.

Because celebrities are individuals and people, and "a cute internet cat" is not. It's rare for any one person to achieve the same kind of universal appeal as a tiny, fluffy cat that you need no common language to understand.

Besides, some celebrities can and do appeal to a similarly broad range of people of all types and ages and achieve that generally universally mourned status, like Robin Williams. So it's not a sudden and depressing lack of humanity or empathy by those darn kids that's at play here. To say that would be simplifying it way too much.

Boo goddamn hoo.

Animals are better than people any day.

Bull shit

Well it's true so...

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It's really anything of 'our times'. I mean....for instance....

http://www.animalsinwar.org.uk/index.cfm?asset_id=1422

People have *always* felt more (or more publicly felt more) for animals, which are generally regarded as innocent and not guilty of any crime or misdeed. Seeing them die for any reason will always tug at more people than some random person, famous or not. We're just...that way.

Simon <3 Hero cat of the Amethyst. May he long be remembered.

I couldn't even read the poem about the horse - and neither could the owner of a museum devoted to WW1 near where I live. He just pointed to it and said, "No, I can't read that one."

If it helps, the official order of looking-after in the British Army in WW1 was horses first, then men, then officers. I remember seeing a programme on WW1 in which the horses from a particular house came through the war with their owners, against all odds. The owners took them back to their home after it was all over - and the horses put up their ears and headed straight for their old stables. A lovely story.

Oh, wow.
I think I'm going to cry, now.

Lovely.

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tabaqui - 2019-05-30 00:29 (UTC) - Expand

Well people also mourned the Opportunity rover...

Wasn't there a robot bomb-disposal unit in Afghanistan that someone risked his life to bring out? The squad had got very attached to this one unit which had saved them several times before.

This secret is really gross, honestly.

I understand mourning a pet's death. I think we all have experienced such loss. But when people say they think animals are better than humans, don't mourn humans as much as animals etc I think that's pretty sociopathic. Unless you live in isolation, you have to live in society with other humans. So that means these people haven't formed any loving attachments to other humans whatsoever, to the extent it would be horrible if they died? And yes, you can form an attachment to a celeb, even if you don't know them. It's called a 'parasocial relationship' and thus will mourn them when they die.

Where did this conclusion come from? In my own fandom people are still telling each other their best Niki Lauda stories. This almost seems like a variation on the old "why are you upset about Celebrity X, you didn't k ow them, why should you mind that death?" (A) Fuck off, I miss Niki Lauda,and and also (B) how Bout we stop policing people's honest emotional reactions?

You clearly weren't in my country when Gord Downie died. Although I don't know how you missed the reaction to Alan Rickman's passing

people mourn celebrity deaths all the time though? and how often do you see a famous animal being mourned anyway? grumpy cat just happened to be well known by a lot of people. there were t-shirts and plush dolls made of her. can't people mourn for things that aren't human? i'd be more depressed if people couldn't more for things that aren't human.

people do mourn celebrities this much though? all the time... i don't understand your conclusions here. maybe it's just your friends or where you go on the internet.

This has cynical confirmation bias written all over it TBH.

Well, animals don't judge me like you do, so...

I mean, you're not wrong OP.

When I heard that Grumpy Cat died, I cried. I don't think I've cried over a celebrity death yet.

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