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⌈ Secret Post #4534 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Er no.
I'm not a Stucky shipper and was annoyed by the ending of Endgame. A lot of people are. It has nothing to do with Stucky.
Here we go:
* Yes, Steve was in love with Peggy. However, in Civil War, he was specifically told by her to move on and kissed her niece (now that's a whole other thing but moving on).
* In the movies hence, Steve has showed that he has moved on. He is head of the Avengers, has made friends and his main concern has been Bucky. Regardless of whether it's interpreted as 'romantic' or not, the fact is that since discovering Bucky is alive, Steve's main concern has been to find and then deprogramme Bucky. He has not even mentioned Peggy until Endgame.
* Peggy had her own life and a kickass life it was.
* Hence, Steve going back to her undermines both her and him. She is now relegated to 'love interest' despite her awesome life and he is now an asshole. Why? Because he had no right to go back and interfere with her life like that. Some people argue that it's a time loop and he was her husband all along. It still creates issues.
* Steve also becomes an asshole because going back means he has to hide and ignore the fact his bff is being tortured by Hydra and killing people, including Tony's father. Steve has a life in the present and has been happy the past what three?Four films? There has been no hint whatsoever that he's missing his past or mooning over Peggy. His going back is a total asspull by the writers of Endgame.
*As far as Nat goes, I'm pissed with how Endgame dealt with her character as well. She sacrificed herself for Clint- a guy who went around killing those he deemed 'bad' because he was mourning his dead family. Nat, on the other hand was working hard to redeem herself. Clint showed no sign of remorse for murdering others. But hey, he has a family so she's more disposable. (So the implication is if you're a woman and don't/can't have a family, you're worth less than someone who does. Yep, fuck you Marvel!)
But then, I was already pissed at Infinity War for the totally OOC way they killed off Loki

[(Anonymous)]

Why would Clint show remorse for killing criminals?

Also, I think you're ignoring the part where Clint and Nat literally fought to the death for the soul stone. Clint originally was supposed to die, but it was changed to Natasha because someone insisted she not be deprived of the honor of being the one to make the sacrifice. It had nothing to do with her being disposable. Besides, you say Nat was working hard to redeem herself. Was this not one way of doing so?

[(Anonymous)]

* Steve also becomes an asshole because going back means he has to hide and ignore the fact his bff is being tortured by Hydra and killing people, including Tony's father. Steve has a life in the present and has been happy the past what three?Four films? There has been no hint whatsoever that he's missing his past or mooning over Peggy. His going back is a total asspull by the writers of Endgame.
*As far as Nat goes, I'm pissed with how Endgame dealt with her character as well. She sacrificed herself for Clint- a guy who went around killing those he deemed 'bad' because he was mourning his dead family. Nat, on the other hand was working hard to redeem herself. Clint showed no sign of remorse for murdering others. But hey, he has a family so she's more disposable. (So the implication is if you're a woman and don't/can't have a family, you're worth less than someone who does. Yep, fuck you Marvel!)


Yeah, I totally agree with these two points in particular, and I don't ship Stucky (or care that much about Bucky, really.)

I do care about the core Avengers and thought Nat got screwed over.

Additionally, BruceHulk was...fucking weird and fat Thor was out of nowhere. Like, I don't care that he was fat, but he's a god so how does that even happen when he doesn't technically get hurt or anything...but he can pack on weight?

I just thought so much shit was sloppy.

Tony's my boy and I'm not too unhappy with his ending, though, since he was going to go anyway, I suppose it was okay.

[tabaqui]

The only thing here i disagree with is the 'ignores Bucky being tortured' thing, since they've 'said' it's a separate timeline and not 'our' (movie) timeline. But even if that's so, that means that Steve just moved in and swept Peggy up and that timeline's Steve was either left in the ice or basically told 'too bad, so sad, she's mine now'.

Both of which are...fucked.

Won't even touch that 'Steve was always the husband' crap, because...really? WTH.

[meredith44]

since they've 'said' it's a separate timeline and not 'our' (movie) timeline

The directors said it was a separate timeline, but the writers said it was the same timeline. So depends on who you want to believe / which version you want to go with. I tend to go with writers over directors.

[tabaqui]

Both suck as choices, frankly.

I tend to go with neither - Steve never did such a stupid thing.

[meredith44]

They do. I dislike Steve's ending. As I dislike much of IW/EG.

[tabaqui]

Yup. And AoU doesn't exist at all except for in some tiny way so we can have Wanda and Pietro.

*tra la*

[meredith44]

I am also on board the AoU doesn't exist train, but I wouldn't even make exceptions, as I like Wanda and Pietro in other things and dislike what was done to them in the MCU.

[tabaqui]

I like them a lot in MCU, except for Pietro being DEAD.
I like the actor who plays him/the character in the X-Men 'verse - i just watch his bits, heh.

[meredith44]

I'm glad you like them. I might have liked them better if he hadn't died, but a large part of what I love about them is their dynamic, which doesn't work with just one of them. (Also why I don't care about the X-Men version of Pietro.)

[tabaqui]

Exactly. So irritating.

[(Anonymous)]

Very much so! Peggy did her own thing, it's shit they just erased all of that!

[(Anonymous)]

aaaaaaah, Thank you. This, just THIS!