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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2019-06-09 02:27 pm

[ SECRET POST #4538 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4538 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2019-06-09 10:43 pm (UTC)(link)
A lot of the whole "things were terrible back then, especially for women" business is often very inaccurate as well. If male writers do that, it always has this smell of it just being an excuse to write women being tormented under the guise of faux historical accuracy. What baffles me is when femlae witers, especially proclaimed feminists, do this as well. Ladies, stop portraying women as those feeble, downtrodden victims throughout history! Women often had much more power than they're given credit for.
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[personal profile] sparklywalls 2019-06-09 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Precisely. For a start there are so many individual famous historical figures who were women who exercised some form of power or control of their own destiny despite any roadblocks or sometimes there aren't many roadblocks at all. Because the woman in question just ignored them. But that's just not interesting I guess? Even though it actually is.

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(Anonymous) 2019-06-10 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
SO much of our received image of the past as this deeply regressive place is actually Victorian values being projected back onto eras with much more complicated and varied attitudes.

(Anonymous) 2019-06-10 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)
1. A small minority of rich women do not a liberation make.
2. Stop telling women (not "ladies") what to do.
3. Stop mischaracterising feminism.

(Anonymous) 2019-06-10 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
1. You have no idea what you're talking about.
2. I'm a woman. Stop telling me what to do. That aside, women are not above criticism if what they're doing is dumb. Buying into the whole "women are the perpetual victims of history" and portraying it as fact is not a great thing.
3. I didn't actually characterise feminism anywhere. If you want me to, okay: Feminism is a variety of different ideological ideas grouped under one overarching ideology name. A lot of subgroups dont actually agree with each other. But empowerment of women is a main topic. So it's doing feminism a disservice to pretend women have always been tormented wilting flowers with no agency throughout history when that's simply untrue.