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Not all destruction on a mass scale is genocide. She very specifically targeted only the slavers/people in charge when she took a city. Women and children, generally the biggest targets in a genocide, were protected.

Uh, she killed everyone in King's Landing?

Not /everyone/. Just a lot of people. And even if she killed every last person, it still wouldn't be genocide, because the rest of Westeros was fine. Definitely mass murder, just not genocide.

genocide: the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

Like the people of King's Landing. I find it really fucking weird that this is some kind of hill you want to die on.

To use a more precise definition: "Genocide is intentional action to destroy a people (usually defined as an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group) in whole or in part. The hybrid word "genocide" is a combination of the Greek word γένος ("race, people") and the Latin suffix -caedo ("act of killing")"

She absolutely went in for mass slaughter, I'm not saying she didn't. But she was not trying to intentionally wipe out the entire Westerosi people (or for that matter, the entire race of any of her conquered cities), so it was not a genocide.

Again, not sure why you are so...insistent on this.

Would it make you feel better if I said, "Oh, she didn't commit genocide, she only murdered thousands of people."

Why did she kill them? Because they were loyal to Cersei. She also would ~~commit genocide~~ mass murdered all of Westeros if she had the chance.

But hey, Dany is no longer a genocidal maniac! She only killed thousands of people because she is a monstrous child throwing a tantrum. Thankfully she was put down before she could ~~commit genocide~~ mass murder anyone else who didn't bow down to her might.

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Was Jaime wiping out the Tyrells at Highgarden genocide too?

Not sure what that has to do with Dany committing genocide, but no.

I just rewatched that scene. The only dead people you see are soldiers. That is war. Just like I would not have called Dany a genocidal maniac before King's Landing, killing soldiers in battle is not genocide.

Do you mean when he killed Olenna? Also, no. There are other Tyrell family members. So what he did was murder.

Are you comparing Dany killing thousands of people in a genocidal rampage to that?

In the scene where he was pleading with the Tarlys, Tyrion said the Tyrell family was wiped out.

Checking the family tree, there are at least 4 more out there. So, maybe Tyrion had his math wrong.

But again, you think those two situations are comparable?

Sure. If so, Dany committed a ton of genocides with all the families she wiped out. You know, when she committed genocide by trying to kill an entire city? And then was going to commit a ton more towards any Westeros person who didn't kneel.

I just watched the scene again, and it looks like there were civilians in the pile of bodies. So it wasn't just soldiers who they killed.

https://abload.de/img/img_18567jj4g.jpg

Those are soldiers. You can see the pile of armor where they are stripping the metal of them.

I'm not a GOT fan (nor a hater either) and don't know on whose side I would have been but what Daeneris did doesn't qualify as genocide and aknowledging the difference between it and mass murder is important for me, as someone from an ethnic group that had to face the former.

Anon above said that genocides can be against nations. King's Landing is the closest you would get to a nation. They are their own people with their own customs and loyalties.

It's literally one city in a nation. Westeros is the nation. It was the equivalent of bombing a city, which is absolute an act of terrorism and generally a Bad Thing, but genocide involves systemic and deliberate extermination of a specific group of people.

I know it's a cool/evil-sounding word but it doesn't apply in this situation and your insistence that it does is weird.

Actually, it is more like killing all of New York. Each little place is like a state. They even all rule themselves like states!

Honestly, it is funny to me. The people splitting hairs about this remind me of Redditors who go, "Uh actually he is a hebephile NOT a pedophile," when a 30 year old has sex with a 13 year old.

Like, cool. Glad you can stick up for all those mass murderers and perpetrators of genocide.

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Because there's a difference and words mean things.

Late reply, but I had just watched the final GOT episodes and had to say something.

She only killed thousands of people because she is a monstrous child throwing a tantrum. Thankfully she was put down before she could ~~commit genocide~~ mass murder anyone else who didn't bow down to her might.

LOL!

I cheered when Dany was killed. I was sick and tired of her and her power madness. I shake my head when I see people stanning for her.

Yeah, people wanting to split hairs over whether or not the person who killed thousands of people committed genocide or not. My eyes rolled out of my head.

TBH, I find that genuinely frightening. And OP's post- a few thousand rabble rousers in the streets totally means all 500,000+ citizens are the same and deserved to die. I think Tyrion said it was more like a million people lived there.

I saw your other comments about Jaime and Brienne. They do stay together at least longer in the books? I think I read only up to book five, before they got together.

I usually don't ship, but when Jaime took Brienne to the bedroom in the show, my mouth fell open and I did a little dance. But when Jaime went back, very stupidly, to Cersei, I just shook my head.

They sacrificed Jaime's character development for the series, it seemed. That was disappointing. I really wanted to see where he was going, and what he would become. In the books, he began to ignore Cersei's endless pleas for him to get her out of her shit. That was an improvement, and being with Brienne would be a nice bonus.

IIRC, the last we see of Jaime in the book, he gets a letter from Cersei asking him to come save her. He burns it without sending a reply.

Oh, that makes it totally ok then.
God you people are SCARY.

Right? And it isn't like Dany spared people. She didn't kill everyone because they were able to escape. She wanted to kill them.

I think some anon named their kid Khaleesi and is upset that people are calling her a monster.

I don't know if you know this, but it's fiction.

I don't know if you know this, but the people making these disturbing moral equivalencies are real.

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