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⌈ Secret Post #4553 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, I understand what you mean, but I still like Ned. His story came to a logical and satisfying conclusion, too. I probably wouldn't have liked him as much if it weren't Game of Thrones, though. I feel like every character in this series is a piece of shit to some extent, who all make bad decisions that fuck other people over at some point, so Ned really isn't that special in that regard. Maybe things would have been better if he made better choices and didn't bum around with Robert, but who's to say really?

[(Anonymous)]

The problem is, we're supposed to think Ned is just about perfect. He's the ideal, supposedly. He'd annoy me less if his faults were acknowledge. And he'd annoy me less if he'd acknowledge what a crappy person Robert was.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem is, we're supposed to think Ned is just about perfect

I don't think that's true at all! Definitely not in the books.

[(Anonymous)]

His faults are acknowledged pretty darn well when he's arrested and executed for basically being too trusting and honorable.

[(Anonymous)]

Sort of. But the show portrays it as he's really a great guy, what he did wasn't genuinely wrong, just naive. No, he wasn't just naive. He was wrong. He should have put his family first.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're drawing a distinction that doesn't really exist in the series. At least for the books.

[(Anonymous)]

Not really, even in the show - we've already seen him executing a terrified member of the Night Watch rather than listening to him. We know his honour is inflexible and not the smart choice. Which made Jon's parentage all the funnier to me because Ned *could* keep a secret and lie for his family, he just didn't do it any other time when he should have!

[(Anonymous)]

In medieval times, or at least in a medieval setting, what was all important was upholding a kingship, law and order, against the chaos that would engulf civilization. It's one of the shortcomings of what was considered honorable in those times.

In fact the entire series shows how bad the medieval system was.

[(Anonymous)]

It's been a long while since I saw the first season or read the first book, but I think that Ned had mostly stayed in Winterfell, only really coming out for the Greyjoy rebellion.

When the series starts, Ned is shown to be a little nervous about interacting face to face with Robert again after a long break.

They were really good friends once and they're still fond of each other, and Robert is willing to listen to a point, but not only is Robert the king and his superior, there's been enough time that Ned doesn't actually have the influence he used to. Remember how Robert reacted when Ned said trying to kill Dany and her brother was fucked up?

And he was never able to stop Robert from whoring around even when Lyanna was engaged to Robert and spoke to Ned about how she doubted Robert loved her for more than her face.

[(Anonymous)]

And he killed Lady at Robert's command (yes I'm still mad about that)

[(Anonymous)]

Same. But while I do think some people think he's held up as an ideal, he made mistakes and was shown as seriously out of his depths.

Also you could say Ned warning Cersei to run because he was telling Robert the truth was stupid, and it was a mistake, but from his point of view he was afraid Robert would approve of killing the kids just Elia and her children. The fact that Robert wanted to kill the surviving Targaryens probably just confirmed it to Ned.

They were a product of incest and adultery but he didn't want the kids to die for it.

[(Anonymous)]

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He just thought Cersei cared more about her kids than power because he does.

Remember, he breaks his honor to lie about being a traitor because Cersei promised to let Sansa live if he did. Which, hey, she did lol. (Broke the promise of letting him live but her mistake in thinking she has a good control on Joffrey.)