[ SECRET POST #4553 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4553 ⌋

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Comments

[silverr]

"dominant omegas and submissive alphas"

but isn't that counter to ABO terminology?

Behaviorally, wouldn't a submissive alpha be an omega?

(I don't read ABO; my only understanding comes from how similar the power dynamics and some of the societal hierarchy sound to Ai no Kusabi.)

[philstar22]

I don't think so? Biologically alpha but behaviorally submissive? If behavior being inherent to biology is necessary for ABO to work, then I definitely don't want anything to do with ABO. To me these sorts of dynamics aren't interesting unless they are a choice and can be played with. Like, someone who is biologically an alpha and therefore everyone assumes they will be sexually dominant. and yet, while they are the perpetrator, they secretly want to be ordered around. That interests me.

What scares me about ABO is precisely the idea of behavior being biological. Because the same assumptions are made about men and women. And it seems like people have just taken those assumptions and just removed women from the equation altogether and shoved the women stereotypes/assumptions onto male omegas.

[silverr]

... that's what it feels like to me as well. "Biology is destiny" and all that. No my cuppa at all.

(Now, subverting stereotypical power dynamics? That can be interesting, but I'd rather have it without all the other ABO paraphernalia.)

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, it's not at all subversive to create a science-fictiony universe where queer men are compelled by nature to be fucked. That's 100 years of homophobia. I see no point in going there if you're not going to subject that premise to the satire.

[feotakahari]

BTW, if you ever want to see what happens when they remove men from the equation instead: https://star-anise.tumblr.com/post/185742538094/ive-spent-what-free-time-ive-had-tonight Get your brain bleach ready.

[(Anonymous)]

If I want half-baked biological essentalism, I can get my fill every morning from ranty guy on the fucking bus.

[(Anonymous)]

Sometimes the ranty guy gives me handouts. ABO only gives me regret.

[(Anonymous)]

but isn't that counter to ABO terminology?
Behaviorally, wouldn't a submissive alpha be an omega?

No. Some A/B/O fics definitely lean into the gender existentialism - depicting omegas as more inclined to be submissive, and alphas as more inclined to be dominant. But I don't think I've ever read an A/B/O fic that said omegas can't be dominant, or that alphas can't be submissive. The framing is more that a dominant omega is a dominant omega, whereas a dominant alpha is just an alpha.

That said, I've also read plenty of A/B/O fics that don't lean out of the gender essentialism. I haven't read many where the omega is a dom in the bedroom, but I've read quite a few where they're an equal party in the relationship, and are, if anything, braver and more of a bamf than the alpha.

[(Anonymous)]

*don't lean into the gender essentialism.