[ SECRET POST #4559 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4559 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think describing thinking about a female character as "overcoming disgust" and an endless uphill battle says more about your personal issues with women then everyone else's struggle with women.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

like jfc how is that considered a GOOD rebuttal? they sound like they've got fucking issues...

[rosehiptea]

+2

(Also what kind of fandoms is this person in where everybody hates female characters so much they'll be hostile to you for writing them? In my experience even people who only want to read m/m just skip stories they don't want to read.)

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT - When a character is written in a sexist way that relies on incredibly common gender-stereotyping tropes, then it's perfectly reasonable for one to struggle with a measure of disgust when one sits down and attempts to strip away some of the sexism.

[wannabe_influential]

Yeah, that's how I read it, too

[(Anonymous)]

There was a great comment in this community a few years ago that said if we can accept that sexism is a huge problem and many men are extremely sexist, why is it so hard to accept that many women written by men are unlikably sexist characters? Why is it our fault for hating them and not the men's fault for writing them so badly? And how does this correlate to having issues with women if you can accept that the problem is that these characters aren't anything like real women?

[(Anonymous)]

why is it so hard to accept that many women written by men are unlikably sexist characters? Why is it our fault for hating them and not the men's fault for writing them so badly? And how does this correlate to having issues with women if you can accept that the problem is that these characters aren't anything like real women?

The thing is that this is a perfectly reasonable response to the specific characters who are written by men as sexist caricatures. It's not generalizable beyond those characters.

[(Anonymous)]

The thing is that it's a widespread occurrence, just like sexism itself, and not confined to a few specific characters. It doesn't mean all female characters written by men are bad, but it's the same reason #notallmen is used in mockery. #notallfemalecharacters, no, but enough that it's okay to generalize in certain contexts.

[nightscale]

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Yeah this argument... isn't it.

[(Anonymous)]

Like seriously, what the actual fuck is your problem with female characters because what you're claiming sure as hell isn't the way 95% of female characters actually are in canon.

[meredith44]

Agreed. Yes, some female characters are written poorly, in a stereotypical and/or sexist way. But it is far from the majority. And there are sexist and/or poorly written male characters that don't get this "disgust". I hate that male characters are seen as the default and female characters are held to a higher standard and seen as work. (The default part starts young. I taught preschool for 20 years and went to grad school for a school library degree, and girls are absolutely expected to want to consume and relate to media with male protagonists, while boys are not expected to do the same with female protagonists (just look at Disney princess movies vs the Pixar movies centered on boys), and it sucks.)

[(Anonymous)]

This.

[(Anonymous)]

Sexist male characters get 100 times the disgust that sexist female characters get from the side of fandom we're talking about, try again

[meredith44]

Then obviously we are not in the same corners of fandom. Tony DiNozzo was arguably the most popular character on NCIS (part of two major slash ships and two het ships) and was sexist as hell. How about you try again.

[(Anonymous)]

lmao no they don't, so long as the fandom likes them sexist men will have their bad traits filled off by fandom to make them better to work with.