[ SECRET POST #4560 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4560 ⌋

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[Soldier's Girl]


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[Good Omens]


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[Clone Wars 2008 cartoon]


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[Sleepaway Camp]


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[When They See Us]


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[Dominic Keating/Star Trek: Enterprise/Diablo III/Dragon Age: Origins/Beowulf 2007]








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Comments

Re: Greece vs. Macedonia

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't say that's the same thing at all. One country isn't dictating to another their name, they're staking a mostly historically accurate claim on a name and saying that country can be anything else besides that name. They're not forcing Macedonia to be "a name of Greece's choosing," they're being like "uh can we not have people staking a claim on a history that is also ours"

An example of a different country "trying the same thing" would be like Italy telling another country they can be anything besides Rome. This would also not the same as Italy "dictating what a country calls themselves" and more like a historical trademark or copyright dispute. Which I think would be fair

And an example like Italy refusing to let a country in because they don't like which end they break their eggs on is a totally different situation and to compare the two is absurd to me frankly

Re: Greece vs. Macedonia

[philstar22]

I think it is possible to say they shouldn't call themselves Macedonia and still be uncomfortable with how things went down. Greece vetoed their membership into the EU because they named themselves something Greece thought it owned. Greece also embargoed them because they used a symbol on their flag that Greece thought it owned. In both cases, Greece ended up getting what it wanted through being a bully. That makes me uncomfortable.

Re: Greece vs. Macedonia

[(Anonymous)]

Welcome to how things are done in the real world I guess? I can't think of a single issue where countries have behaved decently to resolve them. This at least didn't involve a war. And Greece is nothing compared to the US, Russia and China in terms of bullying.

Re: Greece vs. Macedonia

[philstar22]

Right. And like I said, I get why Greece did it. What I don't get is why other European countries haven't even commented at all. They all just seem fine with it.

Re: Greece vs. Macedonia

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, what is the actual nature of the Greek claim to the name "Macedonia"? What is the actual right that is being infringed on here? Trademarks and copyrights seem like really poor analogies. Those are legal constructs that exist for a specific reason - ensuring that creators can benefit economically from the things that they make. And that's not the case, obviously, in this instance. So what is the specific right that's being appealed to, and why does it exist?

I also think it's unclear to what extent modern Greece is actually meaningfully historically connected to Alexander the Great, or what relationship any modern Greek has to a fella who died about 2300 years ago, but that's a general problem with nationalist construction of identity, not something specific to the Greeks, I guess.

Re: Greece vs. Macedonia

[(Anonymous)]

Alexander had a large empire, but the ancient kingdom of Macedonia itself was, I believe, pretty much entirely within the modern nation of Greece. It's kind of like a former British colony deciding to change it's name to Mercia. I think modern North Macedonia has a claim to being on the periphery of ancient Macedonia, but I'm not sure that means they have equal claim.

Re: Greece vs. Macedonia

[(Anonymous)]

But no one living in modern Britain today has any meaningful relationship to Aethelred, Lord of the Mercians.

Of course, if the Macedonians are claiming the name because they want to claim part of the heritage of Alexander, that's equally silly on their part as it is for the Greeks (in my personal opinion). But to the extent that their country is within the region known in the present day as Macedonia, I think they have a valid case to use the name.