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Two questions.

One, why? Two, do you think alcohol should remain legal?

I think there is evidence that can cause brain damage even with small but regular use. I also think not nearly enough research has been done yet for complete legalization to be safe.

I think there actually should be more regulations on alcohol. The way we do it now in the US is not really working. But at least we've done research and know the effects of alcohol. At least there are laws in place for when people get drunk and hurt other people (not necessarily perfect laws, but they are there).

I'm not saying that legalization at some point in the future would be bad. I just don't think we're there yet. We need to know more. And we need to lay the groundwork with laws in place to control things.

What laws are you thinking of in particular, or what abuses do you think are not sufficiently guarded against?

Like what happens if someone who used then uses a vehicle and hurts someone else. Or just hurts someone else while using? What laws do we keep now that it is legal to use? What will the penalties be? How do we keep people from hurting other people while using? What will the age limit be (since marijuana is just as damaging to young brains as alcohol is)?

And what will the laws be about advertising for different kinds of marijuana. For example, while smoking marijuana is less cancer-causing than cigarettes, it is still cancer-causing. So what will the rules be about advertising?

There are just a lot of unanswered questions. And I haven't seen these things being really answered in places that have legalized. It seems to be an all or nothing thing. I just think some caution would be a good idea.

that's what anti drunk driving laws are for. you shouldn't drive high or drunk but we shouldn't bring back prohibition either. weed is less harmful than alcohol, the law should treat it as such (and weed is a LOT less harmful than tobacco!)

Like what happens if someone who used then uses a vehicle and hurts someone else.

That's... that's still driving while intoxicated. At least in the United States. A bunch of states have passed more specific laws about marijuana-impaired driving, too, but driving while under the influences of drugs is still a crime in general. It's not like driving on cocaine is legal.

Or just hurts someone else while using?

But... if you assault someone, or whatever, wouldn't that still just be assault? I don't understand this argument at all.

What will the age limit be (since marijuana is just as damaging to young brains as alcohol is)?

This is actually an argument in favor of legalization as opposed to decrim! Having specific laws regulating the sale of marijuana is what allows you to set and enforce an age limit and have licensing and regulations. That's the whole advantage of legalization.

And what will the laws be about advertising for different kinds of marijuana. For example, while smoking marijuana is less cancer-causing than cigarettes, it is still cancer-causing. So what will the rules be about advertising?

I mean, I agree that this is an issue, but I don't think it's that difficult to solve. We already have laws regarding alcohol and tobacco advertising, so we have a pretty good idea of how to approach the problem. And again, this is another argument for legalization as opposed to decrim - legalization allows you to regulate advertising, as states with recreational marijuana have done. See, for example:

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.xhtml?lawCode=BPC&division=10.&title=&part=&chapter=15.&article=

So, I guess, I get your concerns. But I think the best way to address them is to pass laws through the legalization process as various states have been doing.

A DUI is a DUI regardless of the substance involved. I’m not sure there are even laws about assaulting someone while under the influence of any controlled substance vs just plain assaulting people, so I assume if you beat someone up while high (which doesn’t seem that likely and I hate weed) you’d be charged with assault.

I’m in California where things containing lead (some electrical cables, pottery, some kinds of vinegar, etc) have lead warning labels by law, and of course tobacco products have the cancer warning label; stick one on weed products detailing cancer risk (and psychiatric illness risk) on a state by state basis until federal decriminalization/legalization kicks in.

The age limit should be 21 like for alcohol—which I think it is in most states where it’s legal—unless a patient under 21 has a prescription.

No tv or kid focused advertising.

Right now, it’s not like marijuana is harmless, but I think criminalizing weed does more harm than legalizing it will.

It's legal here (Los Angeles) and the age limit is 21. I voted for legalization and I'm glad we have it. Making it illegal didn't stop people who wanted to smoke marijuana from doing it, and when it was made legal medicinally pretty much any adult who wanted some could get it because it was not hard to get a doctor to say you needed it. (That's what I've been told anyway.)

There are already laws in place for that. I'm not sure why you think causing bodily harm to someone while high isn't something they would prosecute if marijuana was a legal substance. There would just wouldn't be an illegal substance charge too. Plus, every place that I know that has made it legal (in whichever form) has put a ton more laws in place dealing with the production, sale, and use.

Here's part of one of the statutes that deals with driving in Arizona, where medical marijuana is legal:
28-1381. Driving or actual physical control while under the influence; trial by jury; presumptions; admissible evidence; sentencing; classification
A. It is unlawful for a person to drive or be in actual physical control of a vehicle in this state under any of the following circumstances:
1. While under the influence of intoxicating liquor, any drug, a vapor releasing substance containing a toxic substance or any combination of liquor, drugs or vapor releasing substances if the person is impaired to the slightest degree.
3. While there is any drug defined in section 13-3401 or its metabolite in the person's body.
B. It is not a defense to a charge of a violation of subsection A, paragraph 1 of this section that the person is or has been entitled to use the drug under the laws of this state.

I honestly don't understand why people compare marijuana to alcohol, especially in this way. As if there aren't enough DUI's on the street already, adding another mind altering drug to the list is just adding another needle to the haystack.
People get high, and people will get higher when there's more opportunity to do so. Legalizing pot is just removing a layer to those who will use it recklessly anyways. Medical is fine, when done right. But above board there are people who drink, people who smoke, and those who do both. And making it legal will only up the casualties because it will be a lot less hard to find.
Laws are there because people will break them, and making them easier to break isn't the best idea.

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