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⌈ Secret Post #4565 ⌋

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[The Liar Princess and the Blind Prince]

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"white" is not a simple term. It's a loaded category that's largely socially constructed and can change significantly over time and place. "you can't be racist against white people" is a true statement in America but it's not necessarily the best lens to use to understand ethnic and racial relationships in general, and the way that for example the Nazis treated Jews and Slavic groups definitely could reasonably be called racist in a meaningful sense.

It is a true statement everywhere.

The statement elsewhere is 'xenophobic'. It should be taken more seriously and isn't. Not my fault on that.

It is for the Jewish community to decide where they identify. As far as I have seen most do not identify as white given their ancestry but again, no business of mine there.

And yeah, no. The treatment by the Nazis of Eastern European populations was horrendous but it still falls under modern terms of xenophobia.

It absolutely does not. The Nazis understood Germanic and Slavic peoples as distinct races in a genetic, scientific, ideological sense and determined their treatment of them on that basis, not simply on the basis of dislike of them as foreign. They thought they were superior, as a race, to Slavs, as a race. Please explain what specific characteristics Nazi race science and race ideology would have needed to be properly called 'racist'. Because I sure as hell can't see it.

To have a different colour of skin to those they oppressed. For their oppressed people to have descended from non-white people. That is what racism is deemed today.

White on white. European on European is deemed xenophobia.

It does sound brutal but it is reality. People need to take xenophobia more seriously. I get it. My people have been downtrodden for centuries and if we could use the work 'racism' we might get a hearing but it isn't and we can't and don't.

Just because Nazi scientists didn't know an atom from their arsehole doesn't create racism.

So, if your definition of racism is that it's based upon skin color, then obviously by definition you can't be racist against white people. And that is generally how it works in contemporary America (and probably Britain and Australia or whatever).

The problem is that it's not a good definition of racism *in general*. It's the most useful rule of thumb in contemporary society, but it's not adequate as a general definition. Because, for example, we know that whiteness is a malleable social category that has been redefined in ways that haven't had anything to do with skin tone, and we can look at things like the treatment of mixed-race people and the "one-drop rule" as examples where skin color is not the fundamental basis of racist ideologies.

I hear you but that is covered surely in the many report/papers/threads/books ect that black people/poc have created on 'white privilege' and where and how that impacts those who may pass?

My dad is mixed race. He passes as white at times and others not. So, it is a close to home issue. I get where you are coming from though.

I'm definitely not arguing against the concepts of white privilege or "passing"! But I think white privilege is a concept that exists in specific societies, and is not something that's present in every single example of racism.

And passing is something that primarily reflects the way that people's perceptions of someone's identity affect the way that they treat that person. Like... being able to pass as X doesn't change the actual racial "category" that society sorts you into, if that makes sense?

I think most victims of racism would argue that white privilege is very real and very dangerous. It is why only certain people get profiled at airports for example. I walked into Australia without question with my British passport and white face. I saw the racism happen around me as others were profiled.

Of course. My gran can pass as white. My dad can't. They share they same Aboriginal black ancestor. Still, there are issues and fears my family face others don;t purely on their race and their panic over whether they can pass or not. It is a fucked up world

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