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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2019-07-07 03:23 pm

[ SECRET POST #4566 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4566 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2019-07-08 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
"... and everyone else just wants to know if they fork as well as spoon."

I'm much more interested in the fantasy setup where the primary relationship is so completely taboo among both Angels and Demons the protagonists themselves have to grow into admitting that it exists to themselves and each other. That's a metaphor that has rather obvious parallels to LGBTQ experience. Believe it or not, some of us grew up in an environment where LGBTQ relationships were unthinkable, or if not unthinkable at least unmentionable. Whether that includes actual forking or spooning is aside from the point. Although I'll freely admit to being a bit touchy when ace people choose to oversimplify my sexuality in that way.

Granted, it's also possible to criticize SFF's use of magical or alien metaphor to talk around these issues. Metaphor can obscure rather than reveal.

That's not touching how Gaiman has been pretty clearly influenced at some point by queer theology and queer neopaganism in specific. It's all over Sandman for one, and a fair bit of that leaked over to some of the screenwriting and casting for Good Omens. (Pratchett also I think.)

My interpretation is that Aziraphale and Crowley are neither forking nor spooning. They're not at that stage of development yet. But you have two people who are in a relationship, they've been outed to their home cultures, disowned by their home cultures, rejected a dogmatic "plan" in favor of embracing mystery, and are in the process of constructing the next phase of their relationship on THEIR OWN TERMS. How is that not queer as fuck? And why is it offensive that allosexual LGBTQ people see ourselves in that when our own development has been very similar?

(Anonymous) 2019-07-08 05:12 am (UTC)(link)
They're not at that stage of development yet... and are in the process of constructing the next phase of their relationship on THEIR OWN TERMS.

I wish more people understood this/had this interpretation.