[ SECRET POST #4572 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4572 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Zilverpijl / Silver Arrow]


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[Taskmaster series 8, Lou Sanders]


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[Spider-Man: Homecoming]


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[British gardener and presenter Monty Don, Big Dreams, Small Spaces]


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[Good Omens]









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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

The villain was motivated by hatred of Tony.

But the person who was framed as having to stop him was Peter.

Peter's suit and gear was Tony's

But the movie was about Peter realizing that he was still Spider-Man all on his own, without the suit and gear, and ultimately, if need be, without Tony.

Most of Peter's emotional stakes were wrapped up in having Tony's attention or approval.

And hiding his secret identity, and wanting to do more with his powers but not knowing how, and getting a date with his crush, and realizing that Tony's attention and approval were nice, yeah, but he didn't need that to be a superhero.

The final fight was to save Tony's jet.

The final fight was to prevent dangerous weapons from being stolen and sold to criminals for nefarious ends. The jet was just the vehicle for what was at stake, not the stake itself, and it was a D.O.D.C jet. It didn't even technically belong to Tony, though he likely provided it to the D.O.D.C.

The final scene and "reward" was Tony admitting Peter was good at what he did

personally, I'd say the pivotal scene was when Peter reigned in his own fear, realized no one but him could save him, and lifted a building on his back dressed in a onesie.

And while I agree there was a definite "reward" aspect to the final scene with Tony, the most important part of that scene was that Peter turned him down, which alters the take-away of the scene significantly imo.

All of this is why Tony is a strong supporting character. A stronger than average supporting character, sure. But it's still Peter Parker's movie.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, to all of this. I'm among the biggest complainers of the focus on Tony in the MCU, and I groaned loudly at every commercial for Homecoming because of him. But the previous anon deliberately misinterpreted key plot points and characterizations to make it seem worse than it actually was. I'd say Tony's involvement in Homecoming was more similar to Black Widow's involvement in Winter Soldier than, say, Tony's involvement in Civil War (where he really did overshadow the character the movie was supposed to be about).

[(Anonymous)]

You could remove Black Widow from Winter Soldier without drastically changing most of the plot. You can't do the same with Tony in HC.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, you'd certainly have to change some of it. Drastically change most of it? Nah. And the bigger point is, the emotional power in the narrative is still about Peter's growth and realizations, not in Tony's mentorship or gadgets.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, the commercials annoyed me too but they at least made it seem like there'd be LESS of him than there actually was. Like he'd be there for the beginning/set-up because of Peter's involvement in Civil War but then wouldn't have any sort of role for the rest of the movie. Sadly I was wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

Peter was motivated to stop Vulture, sure, but having Vulture's origins be about a hero besides the main character is narratively bizarre to me. Either have the villain be connected to the hero or motivated by something else entirely. Motivated by /another unrelated hero/ makes him THAT hero's villain.

"If need be, without Tony" shouldn't be a metric for a standalone hero. Why should be have to be Tony's sidekick and prove that he can stand without Tony's help when Spiderman as a hero has ALWAYS stood on his own?

All of those emotional beats were secondary when the emotional low-point of the movie was Tony being mad at him.

The exact ownership of the jet is a technicality. It was Stark tech, Tony's #1 man Happy was in charge of it, it was still Tony's business.

I didn't say anything about a pivotal scene. I LOVED that scene with Peter because for ONCE in the movie Tony wasn't involved and we finally saw Spiderman as Spiderman.

Yeah, thank god Peter turned him down in the final scene (not to mention offering an official superhero job to a minor under the Accords without the minor's guardian being in on it is WEIRD), but he still got the suit from Tony and Tony was "right all along" about Peter's potential. Because we as viewers knew the whole time that Peter would be fine without Tony's involvement, it was jarring to me to see Tony's approval mattering at all.

Obviously it's still Peter's movie, but taking Tony out of it would take away most if not all of the narrative supports, versus all of the people who matter ONLY to Peter as a character are barely involved in the actual plot.