[ SECRET POST #4575 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4575 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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[(Anonymous)]

The way that we interpret and talk about fictional characters in a text is different than the way that we talk about and understand people in real life. We use different standards and ways of thinking. It's pretty straightforward, I feel like.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah

[(Anonymous)]

oh?

[(Anonymous)]

I hate all the top/bottom stereotypes though, entirely within fandom. It's a quick way to shove characters into random stereotypes and even change their canon physical appearance ("shrinking bottom syndrome"). If you think it's hotter in a particular way, that's fine! It's all the completely made-up justification that annoys me.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

also a way to make the character ooc as fuck and make them unrecognizable.

[(Anonymous)]

Omg, shrinking bottom syndrome. Never heard that phrase before, but unfortunately I've run into the phenomenon quite a lot.

[(Anonymous)]

this.

also "this is something queer people do" and "if you do this then you're queer" are two very different statements.

[(Anonymous)]

There's the gay subculture though that has its own tells though. If someone's decked out in all black with heavy white make-up, it's not a stretch to think they're goth. Why should the gay subculture be any different?

[(Anonymous)]

My first thought would be mime, tbh.

[(Anonymous)]

Obviously they’re cosplaying Death. Duh.

[(Anonymous)]

They're obviously talking about someone who doesn't identify with a particular subculture. It doesn't matter if it's real life or fiction, just because a man is feminine or a woman is butch doesn't mean they're gay or trans or queer or whatever. In TV/movies there may be gay coded characters but you have to know if that's actually the intention of the creator and not just your headcanon.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

For example, Sulu on TOS. George Takei said he played him as straight. It's not up to you to decide he was gay because maybe Takei wasn't such a great actor and some of his "gayness" showed through. Or maybe Takei simply felt that Sulu was a more feminine man than say, oh, I don't know, Kirk, and therefore played him that way.

Re: SA

[(Anonymous)]

Whatever was in Takei's head, however he played him, that still does not define the character authoritatively. What's on screen is on screen, and what's not on screen is kt on screen.

Re: SA

[(Anonymous)]

Like I said, maybe it was just poor acting on Takei's part and just because you're interpreting Takei playing Takei rather than Takei playing Sulu doesn't mean that Sulu is gay.

I don't subscribe to the idea of the death of the author, especially if the author makes a definitive statement about his creation.

The same goes for Sherlock.

[(Anonymous)]

Most media doesn't follow or know these tells though.

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty likely that these are two different sectors of people who just happen to occupy the same space. It's easy to forget sometimes that the internet, or even particular sites on the internet, aren't a homogeneous mass who all believe the same thing simultaneously

[(Anonymous)]

Sorta disagree and agree here:

Disagree: One of the lovely things about shows where LGBTQ people are involved in writing is that when you have more than one character, you can get some diversity going on there. It's not a surprise that the media where I see butch and gay femininity usually have LGBTQ people involved.

Agree: Many of the big slash ships exist only in the minds of the shipper and projected onto characters and stories that are otherwise "no homo." Nothing wrong with that, as long as you don't try to sell that as super-secret coded canon or the way I really fuck as a queer person. I'm getting more and more frustrated that everything fandom likes is now a secret gay conspiracy that's leaked out through ambiguous meaningful glances and the color of Dean's shirt.

[(Anonymous)]

+1 to both points

honestly i'm so tired of the 'IT'S SO GAY' screaming and when i eventually get around to watching it... oh what a surprise, it's not. i think maybe 2 shows i saw ppl talking about actually had gay content and the rest was shipper hyperbole from having their goggles welded onto their faces. as a result i've actually stopped listening to fandom when it comes to 'gay' content these days and go looking for it myself, or from my fandom friend who comes out of hibernation every few months with gay media recs that i trust because she doesn't consider gaybaiting or two dudes standing next to each other 'queer' content.

[(Anonymous)]

Words often have more than one meaning. The context can help you figure out which one is being used.

[(Anonymous)]

I get where you're coming from with this. I've never really been able to figure out when it's ok to generalize about a character's gayness and when it isn't. Fandom sure does it a lot, and gets a lot of joy out of it. But I'm just like, "I don't know where the line is, here."

[(Anonymous)]

If the popular character to ship them with is the same gender as them, that's the line. That's when they're gay.

[(Anonymous)]

That's not what the secret is talking about, though, or what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how fandom LOVES to revel in their fave's gayness and exclaim upon it at every opportunity. Anytime a character does something even slightly gender non-normative it's like, "Yaasss, my smol gay son!"

And it's very unclear when it's fine and when it's not fine.

op

[(Anonymous)]

been avoiding talking cause i don't really have much more to contribute but yes, this is the feeling i'm trying to point out.

[(Anonymous)]

Let me print this out and make it into wallpaper!! Augh!! x999999

Don't forget, he's 0.0005 inches shorter!! BOTTOM MATERIAL~! Ugh...