[ SECRET POST #639 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #639 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

Re: 116

[cdaae.livejournal.com]

There are trademark considerations to be aware of, but on the whole, a character is an idea - it is only the idea as fixed in JKR's actual words which are copyrighted. Ideas are not copyrighted, only their material fixed expression.

It would hardly be at her "expense", unless she were somehow paying for it. It's unlikely that you would find a publisher who wanted to take it on, of course, but if you could find people willing to pay for fanfiction, you'd be safe enough.

(Sources are Robin Fry, copyright expert for Beachcroft Wansbroughs; and Nicholas Bohm, general legal counsel for Foundation for Information Policy Research.)

Re: 116

[(Anonymous)]

...if you could find people willing to pay for fanfiction, you'd be safe enough.

Oh really? So, in the UK, you have the right to sell Fan-Fiction biased on other peoples characters? Over here, in the USA, that's a nasty lawsuit.

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

Re: 116

[cdaae.livejournal.com]

Yes, I know. It's one of the areas where US and UK copyright law is different.

A lot of popular authors trademark aspects of their books, which complicates the issue if you're actually selling your stories. But in the pre-internet days it was quite common for fans to put together amateur compilations of fanfiction and sell them (mostly just to cover costs), and that was legal in the UK.

As far as published stories go, people safely published Sherlock Holmes stories in the UK long before the Conan Doyle estate's copyright expired, without requiring a license.

Re: 116

[(Anonymous)]

See, I think it's rude to sell Fan-Fiction. It's not yours to sell. It's like making money on someone else's hard work; they're not your characters or world building to use. (I hate Fan-Ficcers, who think that authors should have no rights. What is the point of creating something if everyone can steal it?) *it's a peeve of mine*

Sherlock Holmes was through permission of the estate, it was in a gray area of being public domain and not public domain. Star Trek had issues with even using namesake in the early 90s.

Re: 116

[(Anonymous)]

You can't own an idea.

Re: 116

[(Anonymous)]

With Fan-Ficcers, creators have NO RIGHTS whatsoever. It should just be a huge free for all. Nice to know.

Re: 116

[(Anonymous)]

What's your position on published authors who write fanfiction in other 'verses for fun?

*is one, knows others*

Re: 116

[(Anonymous)]

Published what? Shiatty erotica sold at truck stops? Second rate romance novels? Fantasy novels that no one has heard of?

Re: 116

[cdaae.livejournal.com]

I think authors should pretty much have the rights they already have, but as my notion of their rights have always been the rights granted by UK law, those are the ones I've come to consider reasonable (and as someone else just said, I agree with UK law that you can't own an idea, only the material expression of it). Though there is more to my opinion on it than just that - it's also to do with notions of property rights in general, and how they compare with the way literature and story has evolved over human history. Our storytelling has always taken elements of other people's tales and embellished upon them. Copyright law has extended and extended the amount of time that a work is protected chiefly in response to rising commercialism.

I don't actually even read fanfic, I'm just interested in the whole area of intellectual property law and how its developed, and in storytelling and mythology and how humanity has used stories over the centuries.