[ SECRET POST #4584 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4584 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Trends in shipping?

[nightscale]

Yeah this has definitely been a thing I've noticed in the last at least 5 years across fandom(longer in some cases probably). Like sometimes you just ship something yanno? It's not meant to be canon, and never was, and that's fine.

Re: Trends in shipping?

[type_wild]

I've definitely seen this in anime fandoms as early as 2000, probably thanks to the SM-CCS-RGU trinity of mainstream shoujo anime with canon same-sex couples.

Re: Trends in shipping?

[(Anonymous)]

It feels sorta new to me that practically every live action ship has some sort of tinhat conspiracy theory going on.

Re: Trends in shipping?

[type_wild]

Thinking about it more closely, I definitely think this dynamic has shifted in anime fandom too. I can't say for sure if it went away with time passing and queer characters in anime being either BL or comedy sidekicks, or if I just hung around in different corners. I've seen Free! get the ultra-close-reading-to-prove-the-secret-gay-coding - and that's a show that is openly satirising its own fanservice.

Re: Trends in shipping?

[nightscale]

Ah I was never into m/m(or f/f) back when I was in anime fandoms, so all the 'it's going to be canon!!' was centered around m/f ships which tbf had a higher chance of actually happening.

But it's certainly something I've seen crop-up in live-action fandoms more and more over the years, it's not enough to simply ship it, it has to be 100% FACT that this pair of same-sex(mostly m/m) characters are totally meant to be canon! All because it's popular and no other reason.

Re: Trends in shipping?

[type_wild]

The Pokémon fandom certainly had people insisting there was a real possibility of Ash/Gay happening because "well Sailor Moon did it". I really don't want to be insistent on anime shipping since, because I've mostly been in smaller fandoms where ship wars weren't really a thing.

Re: Trends in shipping?

[nightscale]

Today I have learned that people shipped Ash/Gary, and I can understand people getting their hopes up if one series does it, and at least with modern media(mostly books and TV shows) there are more canon gay-couples so I see where people are getting their ideas from. But to me at least that still doesn't indicate that it'll happen on your Thing because it was in another.

And in all honesty when it comes to non-canon LGBT ships being made canon that's still pretty rare, most of the time canon LGBT is constructed in a way that makes it 100% obvious it's going to happen, like pretty much every canon het ship.

Re: Trends in shipping?

[(Anonymous)]

Cast and writer queerbaiting on the publicity circuit doesn't help here. I'll buy that were getting openly lgbtq rep from Disney when it's on the screen in my city.

Re: Trends in shipping?

[nightscale]

I've seen that happen I'll give you that, but I've also seen shipper-bases work themselves up into a 'it's gonna happen' tizzy all on their own based on nothing but 'media has more LGBT couples these days' and then acting betrayed when it doesn't happen despite never being promised anything.

Like I said: I understand why shipper-bases get hopeful, and if they're egged on by the showrunners/cast with no intent of follow-through then that is shitty and wrong.

Re: Trends in shipping?

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed.

Re: Trends in shipping?

[(Anonymous)]

It was like that back in the early 2000s with m/m and f/f ships too. People would compile pages of evidence about how their ship was actually canon, they'd write essays on how it was basically canon and how it was okay for them to ship it, how Word of God said something that totally supported their ship, it would be proved that their ship was canon by the end of the series, and so on and so forth.

I was mostly in X-Files and anime fandoms back then, but this was all over those fandoms back then.

Re: Trends in shipping?

[nightscale]

Huh, I stand corrected then.

I guess I just wasn't in the spaces of my fandoms that were doing this, or I was shipping canon so there wasn't any need to prove it because well, it was canon. My earliest non-canon m/m fandom that I know did it was Dean/Castiel, but even then I ignored it and avoided those corners.

I must just be noticing it more these days with how fandom, especially on tumblr, just kind of ends up everywhere.

Re: Trends in shipping?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't remember seeing much of this in TXF fandom myself. But then m/m and f/f pairings were such a small part of the fandom overall that maybe you just had to be in those circles to really see it. Mulder/Scully was so dominant that I feel like you had to go actively looking for stuff that wasn't MSR if you wanted it.

Re: Trends in shipping?

[(Anonymous)]

+1