[ SECRET POST #4595 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4595 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I have no issue with a Star Wars movie being tropey. The thing is: Johnson made a huge fuss about how what he was doing was so different and totally original and new when in the end it wasn't.
And why do you think it's weird? Because that's basically what Johnson was doing. And people who love that movie really like to use those arguments in several variations as arguments why they like it.

[(Anonymous)]

It may not be genre-defying in terms of the entire scifi genre, but it certainly is very different from all the other Star Wars movies. I'd argue in a good way, maybe you don't see it that way. But I don't think you can realistically claim it isn't doing something different from the other movies in the series.

[feotakahari]

Defying genre in Star Wars is like defying genre in My Little Pony. Nobody comes out of it looking good, and yet so many people keep trying.

[(Anonymous)]

Nobody comes out of it looking good,

Clearly, many people would disagree with this idea

[(Anonymous)]

It's weird because you're not talking about the movie itself, you're talking about being annoyed by Johnson making a fuss about things, and by what people who like the movie say they liked about it.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean ...this may be a shocking truth for you but a movie is not a living, thinking creature. So the movie itself doesn't do anything on its own.

[(Anonymous)]

but your criticism has nothing to do with the work itself. you're judging it based on how... humble one of its creators was?

[(Anonymous)]

The two are definitely linked though?

But from a purely film analytical point of view (which I'm sure is the way you yourself look at movies all the time, without any meta knowledge, context or emotion involved), it's also a pretty bad movie. The pacing, the unecessary lenght of some parts, involuntarily ridiculous scenes, complete disregard for character development/consistency for characters based on what was established before, massive logical faults, plenty of copying of older Star Wars plotlines (yes, TLJ does that as well) and really hilariously badly choreographed fights scenes.

[(Anonymous)]

really hilariously badly choreographed fights scenes.

ok, now you're just having a laugh

[(Anonymous)]

Not really. The fight against the red guards was embarassingly bad. Showy and all, sure, but really, really badly choreographed.

[(Anonymous)]

And that's different from most Star Wars movies....how?

[chamonix]

I don't recall Johnson himself making any such fuss. He was just having fun and being a fanboy. Now fans I can definitely see making a big thing about the 'originality' - and it's true it did diverge from a lot of the stale expectations people have of what the ST would be. But it's wasn't exactly marketed that way.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know where it was but I watched an interview where he was pretty annoyingly smug about things. He definitely had a lot of fun just making "his" Star Wars fanboy vision without even trying to properly connect it to the first movie. And like TFA or not, at least some logical continuity would have been nice.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

I devoured all the pre-TLJ information I could, and I found him to be pretty humble about the whole thing. He was definitely excited to be a director/writer for StarWars, but he wasn’t arrogant or gleefully lord in it over fans or anything.