[ SECRET POST #4608 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4608 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Lucifer]


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03.
[Emma Watson as Meg March in Little Women]


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04.
[Tales of Zestiria]


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05.
[The Irishman]


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06.
[Yuri!!! On Ice]


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07.
[Outlander]


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08.
[Kaibaman, Yu-Gi-Oh GX; Griffith and Femto, Berserk]


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09.
[So You Think You Can Dance]


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10.
[Silmarillion]



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11.
[The Hobbit]











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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

There's a ton of moralizing about Meg wanting to dress fashionably like her friends, too. Like I get it, corsets aren't healthy for you... but it's not a moral failing to want to dress up in pretty clothes.

Also despite the for-its-time empowering viewpoints about girls and women, it's pretty clear that the author considers the BEST and most PROPER way for a girl to end up is married, with kids, and that her role as a wife and mother is the most important role of her life.

[(Anonymous)]

Which is not true at all, because the author herself considered the highest goal for a woman was to support herself and her family (whether or not that was a husband - in her case it was her mother and sisters). Read up about Louisa M. Alcott and her dreadful idealist of a father!

[(Anonymous)]

/shrug That's not necessarily reflected in her books, where it's emphasized that being a wife and mother is the ideal for her female characters.

And Jo is shamed for writing "bad" stories to support her family.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you about Jo's writing. However, matrimony and motherhood is not presented as an ideal in her stories. In the "Little Women" series, Nan decides to remain single and childless to focus on her career and it's treated as a good thing. Jo even commends her on it. I can't remember the exact line but she says something about how some girls are swayed into marriage even though they'd be better off alone.

Alcott has other novels and stories where a woman ends up unmarried and it's a happy ending. For example, Maud in "An Old-Fashioned Girl."

[(Anonymous)]

Yep...but they're not the norm, are they. Every single March sister except Beth ends up married, with kids. Even Jo, who was dead set against marriage. Jo reflects what you describe as Alcott's ideal for women, initially. All she wants is to write and support her family, yes? She ends up married to a man who lectures her on the sensational stories she writes to do that. She ends up being the mother figure for a dozen kids. She's a writer too, but the sequels to Little Women arent about her career and independence. They're about her kids, biological and otherwise and her main role is as a mother.

[(Anonymous)]

NA

There's no way in hell her books would've been published if she'd given every single female character a happy single-hood ending. Still, if you read her books in order, it's really clear that she gets to put more and more progressive stuff into them as the years go by. The girls in Jo's Boys are studying and have aspirations beyond getting married, doing charity work with their rich husband's money and being a mother. It's a theme in her books.

[(Anonymous)]

Compared to Little Women, maybe...but only relatively speaking. There are some progressive ideas in Alcott's work, but her themes aren't in line with modern feminist thinking. Nan might remain single and career minded, but Daisy is heading for marriage. Bess is too young, and isn't a main character...all the girls take second place to the male characters in the book, like the title suggests. Motherhood is still presented as one of the most important things in a woman's life, second only to being a good wife.

In Eight Cousins (which iseeven more to do with Alcott's philosophy about the role of girls and women) her progressive heroine who is independently wealthy and enlightened also ends up on the track to marriage. Before that, her important role is to make the home comfortable and cozy, and to serve as a moral guide for her male cousins, even though some of them are older than she is.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT, and yeah, I definitely agree with this. I think Alcott pursued a living in a manner that, from a modern perspective, makes her seem incredibly forward thinking and liberated. But that doesn't necessarily mean her ideals were entirely on the same page. Not that I'm saying she was tremendously conservative for her time - just that her values weren't necessarily the eons-ahead values people are inclined to project onto her due to her accomplishments.

I'd forgotten the bit about Meg wanting to dress fashionably, but yeah, so much judginess from the text. :/