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[ SECRET POST #4620 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4620 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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(Anonymous) 2019-08-31 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
Third, stop being obtuse. No one in this thread has defended extreme underage as morally upright in any way, shape, or form. The other anon has said multiple times that they find it horrifying and fucked up and that's still somehow not good enough for you

Because it smacks as being dishonest when they go this far to defend its existence in the first place. And for what? What does anon lose if fictional CP is no longer allowed? If they supposedly don't care for it, then why are they (and you) trying THIS hard to defend it? Normally when I don't care for something, I don't spend hours of precious time devil's advocating for it.

So what would be?

Not defending its existence and then bringing up legality as though that means shit.

Even if we very strictly limited the creation of fiction that involved children in sexual scenarios with adults, people would lose the ability to write stories based on their own lives and experiences. Even if we say it's just about fiction that "romanticizes" or "glorifies" it, who decides that? Two people can read the same story and come away with very different interpretations.

Pretty sure there is no grey area when it comes to just straight up PWP about 5 year old Sam Winchester getting fucked by his brother. There is a huge difference between touching briefly on dark subject matter in order to develop a character or explain a character's motives and going on a porn kink meme, writing porn about a child character getting graphically raped or fucked by an adult for the purpose of titillation, and then receiving comments like "this is so hot, write moar plox".

Speaking as someone who has no issue with porn featuring fucked up shit as long as it pertains to adults (because at the end of the day, when you remove all the fucked up shit, it's still basically someone jerking it to an adult character they're attracted to and there's nothing wrong with that), I see no reason to be defending fictional CP this vehemently. Most of society in general agrees that fucked shit happening to adults in fiction is fair game and wouldn't suddenly ban, idk, BDSM or rape kink if fictional CP was banned. Do you think if CP got banned that your other kinks would be compromised? Is that why you're going this hard in defending it?

(Anonymous) 2019-08-31 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
For god's sake, I can't tell if you're still being purposefully obtuse or if you just have the reading comprehension of a rock.

Not defending its existence and then bringing up legality as though that means shit.

There are a lot of different vectors of "not being allowed to do something". Actual, literal government intervention is the most extreme version of this. For the sake of this discussion, I haven't been concerned with what the government decides is acceptable, and I wasn't the anon who first brought up legality.

What I am a lot more concerned with is when people collectively decide to bully others for producing content they don't like. What I get particularly up in arms about is people who send death and rape threats to people who've produced content they don't like.

Fic with kids in sexual situations is morally repugnant, but as long as it's strictly fictional, no one in real life harmed by that shit. As long as everything's properly tagged and warned, anyone who would be harmed by consuming the content can avoid it.

Using moralistic arguments to bludgeon people inherently harms real life people. And worse, people flock to fucking new age bullies and tell them they're doing the world a service. Not exactly what I'd call morally upright behavior.

So yeah, thanks for the not-so-subtle implication that I'm somehow a pedophile because I think people should be left alone even if they're writing morally objectionable shit. Really proved my point there.

(Anonymous) 2019-08-31 05:13 am (UTC)(link)
What I am a lot more concerned with is when people collectively decide to bully others for producing content they don't like. What I get particularly up in arms about is people who send death and rape threats to people who've produced content they don't like.

Do you just blindly side with the accused in these cases at all times? Why are you even bringing up hypotheticals? Most people who partake in the really morally reprehensible stuff do not flout it around on tumblr or at least have control of the situation. I've seen it time and time again, the really sick fuck people do not get the condemnation they deserve. You seem to have your perspective skewed by tumblr bullshit where minors suddenly accuse Sheith shippers of pedophilia and then dogpile them, but that's not what we're talking about here. Death threats don't even happen on kink memes and if they happen on AO3, it's easily blocked.

Your perspective is entirely bungled on "muh tumblr bullying" so it's pointless to even argue with you. But please spend less time arguing in favor of adults writing or drawing fiction about extremely underage characters or at least have the decency to not defend people who enjoy that shit. You can try to turn it around as "y-you're just obtuse!! W-way to accuse me of pedophilia!", but the fact is you're spending hours of your time defending people who partake in fiction of babies getting diddled. Please re-evaluate your life and your choices.

(Anonymous) 2019-08-31 05:44 am (UTC)(link)
Someone in the thread below literally told someone to kill themselves, but sure, that only happens on tumblr. And believe it or not, people getting bullied is not somehow less of a problem just because it takes place on a site you don't seem to care for.

spending hours of your time

I have spent maybe half an hour in this thead, tops. You, however, seem to know A LOT about the state of extreme underage fanfiction on the internet, over various sites. And I'm the one who should be re-evaluating my life and choices?

Have a great night, anon. Thanks for the wank.

(Anonymous) 2019-08-31 05:49 am (UTC)(link)
DA

lmao I said "kill yourself" as a joke. I knew you'd get your panties in a twist over it. Stay mad, cunt.

(Anonymous) 2019-08-31 05:55 am (UTC)(link)
I have spent maybe half an hour in this thead, tops

Sure you have, anon. Sure you have.

I'll sleep easy knowing I don't spend my life white knighting for perverts. Nice attempt at trying to turn it back around and N-NO U-ing though, shows that I've really backed you into a corner AND hit the nail on the head. Ah well, I hope you've learned from this interaction. Maybe don't stand up for people's rights to write fictional child porn from now on? Just a thought.

Nighty night!

(Anonymous) 2019-08-31 06:09 am (UTC)(link)
I do find it hilarious that you go "waahh there's more than one of me" but assume everyone disagreeing with you is the same person. It'd be almost cute if it wasn't for the weak trolling and petty name calling. Sleep well knowing you're the only righteous person on fandomsecrets.

(Anonymous) 2019-08-31 06:13 am (UTC)(link)
nayrt (obviously)

It is pretty funny to watch them use the exact same arguments and phrases all around this thread.

(Anonymous) 2019-08-31 06:59 am (UTC)(link)
I never even implied that, I assumed you're just the same anon from the parent of this comment. And you literally have been arguing for hours, look at the timestamps. You've clearly been refreshing this thread and coming back to it. It's okay to just own up to the fact that you spend precious time defending the rights of perverts writing child porn fiction, anon.

(Anonymous) 2019-08-31 10:39 am (UTC)(link)
Amusingly enough, I'm not the anon you were replying to in this subthread (though I am ayrt for this one comment above). Your timestamps are all the same as well. So there only being one moral outrage anon is just as likely as there being several people who don't share your opinion who happen to live in the same timezone.

(Anonymous) 2019-08-31 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Y-you g-got burned

(Anonymous) 2019-09-13 06:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Because it smacks as being dishonest when they go this far to defend its existence in the first place. And for what? What does anon lose if fictional CP is no longer allowed? If they supposedly don't care for it, then why are they (and you) trying THIS hard to defend it? Normally when I don't care for something, I don't spend hours of precious time devil's advocating for it.

Because at some point, somewhere, someone will decide that m/m or f/f fiction is disgusting and should be banned?

Or I just happen to think that whoever gets their rocks off by either writing or reading stuff like that, should have a right to get their rocks off in a way that has nothing to do with real people? Those come to my mind the first...
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