[ SECRET POST #4626 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4626 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Fifty Shades series/Fifty Shades Darker]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 08 secrets from Secret Submission Post #662.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

OP's point is completely correct when they're talking specifically about what's going in that movie and in that social environment - both social groups had slurs thrown at them during that time period. But what point is being made by talking about American examples of anti-Catholicism? It's definitely not relevant to the social conditions depicted in Bend It Like Beckham - whether or not millenials know about American anti-Catholicism it wouldn't really inform someone's reaction to the specific movie one way or the other. And if the idea is to make a broader generalization about the experiences of Catholics or Irish people compared to people of color, either in America or in Britain, I think it would very quickly go astray.

[(Anonymous)]

A million Irish died in the famine and another million immigrated. The whole country had been virtually enslaved for about 200 years.

If anyone decides to argue that their oppression is worse than someone else's oppression, then you're not woke, you're selfish.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that the historical oppression of Ireland and the Irish people has been substantial and real. But I also think that historical oppression is only one facet of what we're talking about here, and another extremely important part is specific, material social conditions of oppression as they currently exist. And those aren't necessarily the same thing. I don't think it's "oppression olympics" to acknowledge that Irish people in America, for example, are not subject to the same conditions of oppression in the year 2019 that African-American people are.

I guess, big picture - I think it's good to be specific with this stuff. We should talk about it in a way that is specific to the nature and context. I don't think using the historical narrative of Irish oppression to justify comparing it to contemporary oppression of people of color is reasonable, even though the historical narrative is correct, because it's a very different context.

And this is what I think is good about OP's secret - their point is very specific to the contexts of Irish and Indian experiences in Britain during the period, not a broad generalization that woke people on the Internet are stupid because Irish people were oppressed during the famine. I think that point of view, honestly, is just as weird of a generalization as Americans assuming that social dynamics in Britain are the same as in America.

[kaffy_r]

*applauds*