fandomsecrets | [ SECRET POST #648 ]

⌈ Secret Post #648 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

101.

__________________________________________________

102.

[FF7; Crisis Core]

__________________________________________________

103.

[Parting Glances; Steve Buscemi]

__________________________________________________

104.

[Transformers movie/New Knight Rider]

__________________________________________________

105.

[Creepy houses in Stephen King novels]

__________________________________________________

106.

[Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's]

__________________________________________________

107.

__________________________________________________

108.

[Dexter]

__________________________________________________

109.

__________________________________________________

110.

__________________________________________________

111.

__________________________________________________

112.

__________________________________________________

113.

[Looking for Group webcomic]

__________________________________________________

114.

[Tales of Symphonia]

__________________________________________________

115.

__________________________________________________

116.

__________________________________________________

117.

[Supernatural]

__________________________________________________

118.

__________________________________________________

119.

[Persona 3; Minato/Aigis]

__________________________________________________

120.

[Dallas]

__________________________________________________

121.

__________________________________________________

122.

__________________________________________________

123.

[Doctor Who]

__________________________________________________

124.

__________________________________________________

125.

[To the Manor Born]

__________________________________________________

126.

__________________________________________________

127.

__________________________________________________

128.

__________________________________________________

129.

[BNFs?]

__________________________________________________

130.

__________________________________________________

131.

[Jonathan Coulton/Portal]

__________________________________________________

132.

[Prince of Tennis]

__________________________________________________

133.

__________________________________________________

134.

__________________________________________________

135.

[Pushing Daisies]

__________________________________________________

136.

[House MD]

__________________________________________________

137.

[Supernatural]

__________________________________________________

138.

__________________________________________________

139.

__________________________________________________

140.

[Emma Watson]

__________________________________________________

141.

[The French Revolution?/Shipping]

__________________________________________________

142.

[The Dark Knight]

__________________________________________________

143.

[Prince of Tennis musical]

__________________________________________________

144.

[Kiefer Sutherland]

__________________________________________________

145.

__________________________________________________

146.

__________________________________________________

147.

__________________________________________________

148.

__________________________________________________

149.

__________________________________________________

150.

__________________________________________________

151.

__________________________________________________

152.

[Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's]

__________________________________________________

153.

__________________________________________________

154.

[Code Geass]

__________________________________________________

155.

__________________________________________________

156.

__________________________________________________

157.

__________________________________________________

158.

[Spongebob Squarepants; Squidward]

__________________________________________________

159.

[*secret comms]

__________________________________________________

160.

__________________________________________________

161.

[Fullmetal Alchemist]

__________________________________________________

162.

__________________________________________________

163. [not fandom]

__________________________________________________

164.

__________________________________________________

165.

__________________________________________________

166.

__________________________________________________

167.

__________________________________________________

168.

[CHUCK NORRIS]

__________________________________________________

169.

__________________________________________________

170.

__________________________________________________

171.

__________________________________________________

172.

[Fullmetal Alchemist]

__________________________________________________

173.

__________________________________________________

174.

[Batman Begins; Scarecrow]

__________________________________________________

175.

[Supernatural]

__________________________________________________

176.

__________________________________________________

177.

[Henry Rollins]

Notes:

CITY STUFF → http://lolbuttsex.myminicity.com/

Secrets Left to Post: 09 pages, 224 secrets from Secret Submission Post #093.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 - not!secrets ], [ - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - posted twice ], [ 1 - a random picture but it's cool ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Flat | Top-Level Comments Only

Why? Slash(yaoi especially) and het are different. Why do you pretend like they're not?

I'm not "pretending"; I really don't think slash, femslash and het are all that different (I know absolutely nothing about yaoi). What differences are you talking about?

Well, mostly they're different because a gay relationship isn't exactly the same as a het one. There are other reasons, too. The great divides along shipping lines, for example, suggest that it's about more than just porn. I think what people get out of a slash pairing is typically different than what people get out of a het pairing.

I should look into the whole thing more, but the truth is I can't really speak authoritatively on slash, especially since most of the circles I run in fall more on the yaoi/yuri side. They're similar, I guess, but different in too many important ways to generalize to eachother. Short answer is, I just feel that they are, or else you wouldn't get these gigantic splits and people sorting themselves into slash fans and non-slash fans.

I think what people get out of a slash pairing is typically different than what people get out of a het pairing.

What, exactly, do you think people are "getting" out of a slash pairing? Or out of a het pairing? And where does femslash fit into all this?

I just feel that they are, or else you wouldn't get these gigantic splits and people sorting themselves into slash fans and non-slash fans.

Hmm, in my experience, the number of people who identify as being purely het fans, or purely slash fans is shrinking. While many people may still have a preference, fandom's no where near as divided as it used to be. Furthermore the people who do seem to have a definite preference have different reasons for doing so.

You may have a point about different motivations -- I just don't think it's any where near as simple as you're implying.

No, it probably isn't as simple as I'm implying - but it isn't as simple as "some people are homophobic or unconsciously prejudiced against slashed couples" either.

Truthfully, I haven't got the answers you're looking for. I'm still trying to figure out the right questions to ask. I'm just pretty certain from casual observation that there is something going on here that extends beyond porn preference and homophobia.

but it isn't as simple as "some people are homophobic or unconsciously prejudiced against slashed couples" either

I never said that it was. In fact, I tried very hard not to say that. My point was that homophobia is more common than we'd like to think, and that this homophobia can manifest itself in subtle ways. A person can have tons of gay friends (or even be gay him/herself) and still say or do homophobic things. There are a lot of anti-slash reactions that do strike me as being subtextually homophobic and I think that I should be allowed to point that out.

Of course, there are a lot of different reasons for a person to like/dislike slash, some are valid and others are kind of shady. So, yes, we absolutely should not jump to conclusions, I completely agree with you about that.

I'm just pretty certain from casual observation that there is something going on here that extends beyond porn preference and homophobia.

Yes, that's probably true. And, for the record, I don't think that there's anything wrong with wondering why people like what they like. Personally, I prefer to focus on how there are a lot of individual reasons for liking or disliking something, whether it's a pairing, or a character or whatever. Of course, that doesn't mean that there aren't other factors in play, or that it's wrong to analyze these trends. It's just not how I like to do things.

There is one thing that I'd like to point out: when you talk about slash, you're assuming that the vast majority is written by heterosexual women. And while most of it is, there is a statistically disproportionate number of lesbians, bisexual women and various trans folks in fandom along with a smattering of gay men. Queer fen are usually ignored by the people hoping to understand slash fandom and, as a lesbian who writes m/m slash, I do get tired of being ignored or dismissed.

I will remember this in future endeavours to understand!

Sorry if I'm coming off as accusatory.

[ SECRET POST #648 ]

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject