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07. [WARNING for discussion of underage sex]

[Stephen King's It]











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07. [WARNING for discussion of underage sex]
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[Stephen King's It]

[(Anonymous)]

I was thinking just the other day about how we all used to write underage sexy times like it was nothing, no doubt trying to recapture our adolescence after being slammed in the face by the bullshit of adulthood. And how we used to lock that shit down so underage readers couldn't get to it, but they always did. They lied about their age. They begged us to read it. And then they grew up and called us a bunch of sickos.

[(Anonymous)]

this is not a reasonable reaction to my mind

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. None of it is reasonable.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think being interested in underage sexual exploration when you yourself are underage is in any way incompatible with being critical of adult engagement with underage sexuality, or that there's anything remotely hypocritical about holding both those views (especially at different times in your life).

[(Anonymous)]

OK, well I'm gonna have to disagree and say maybe kids shouldn't read sexual content intended for adults.

[(Anonymous)]

I think there's a strong argument to be made for that. I think it's a separate question from whether or not adults should write sexual or sexualized content about kids (or as you put it, "underage sexy times").

[(Anonymous)]

Who cares, write underage sex, write bestiality, write guro, write necrophilia, it's just fiction. As long as you don't do that shit in RL, write whatever you want.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I read IT when I was 14 or 15 and I was thrilled to read about sexytimes! (Remember- most of us have all been horny kids/teens!) The fact that it was kind of a gangbang?...I pushed that part out of my head. I was all like OHMIGODSEXSCENEYASSSSSSSSS.

[(Anonymous)]

Same, tbh. I had free access to my mother's romance and sci-fi novels (some of those got really explicit) but there was an extra thrill in knowing the characters were close to my age.

It was the same reason I was so excited to read Twilight, because it was the first romance novel I'd seen where the main characters weren't adults.

... I never thought I'd ever find myself comparing It and Twilight.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not opposed to works that deal with teen sex in general, but this particular one was creepy as fuck. Steven King kinda reminds me of Alan Moore for inserting gratuitous side trips into the depths of his libido in a large number of novels.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I read it when I was a little older and found it disgusting in pretty much every way. It ruined the book for me, I basically can't look any of the characters in the eye, in a manner of speaking. Every time I think about it, I get mad or skeeved out for a different reason.

[(Anonymous)]

Mm, that makes a lot of sense. Like, it's NORMAL for young teens to be into reading about sexytimes (even if those sexytimes are otherwise disturbing/gross)! And it's also normal to NOT want to see the same stuff as an adult that you thought was a good read then.

In a blanket sense, I also don't think there's anything wrong with authors including scenes of younger characters exploring their sexuality, like... nine times out of ten I firmly believe those scenes come from the writer's memory of their own younger years, and not because that's what they get off on as an adult, and because in a blanket sense, sex is like a lot of other parts of life-- reading about stuff helps you deal with stuff in the future, whether it's reading about characters surviving difficult things, or learning about sex. Being able to safely explore things through fiction before you're ready to explore it in the real world. I know reading about stuff was a vital part of my own development, and also like... being able to read about fictional characters engaging in risky behavior meant I could have these vicarious experiences instead of going out and having sex, drinking, running away from home just for the hell of it... There's an age at which you find these books on your own and it's good for you (and that age differs from teen to teen). And the stories that I needed then are sometimes stories I would feel skeeved out by today, but I'm grateful I had them!

In the case of IT in particular, well, cocaine is a hell of a drug. Large swathes of that book got written in a haze and probably wouldn't be that way if it had been written sober.

[(Anonymous)]

Excellent post.

I haven't read It, but I've heard about that infamous scene in the book, I think your final sentence is pretty spot on, though.

[(Anonymous)]

a scene of two young people exploring their sexuality would not be nearly as creepy, the fact that it's a gangbang of a barely teenage girl who's also being raped by her father, and that it was her idea, ups the creep factor by 500%

[(Anonymous)]

I'm with you OP. This isn't "sexytimes" or exploring sexuality. This is an abused little girl being trained by six little boys. Remember people they are 11 in the book. (I love IT but skip that part wtf Stephen King?)

[(Anonymous)]

Even worse that she basically forces herself onto Eddie, who says more than once that he can't and doesn't want to and can be argued is gay. She also thinks to herself that it's nice having power over him. Not to mention this all takes place in the sewers and makes no fucking sense in general. It's just a completely needless scene.

Stephen King is fucked up.

[(Anonymous)]

I totally agree that the scene in the book is deeply creepy and I'm extremely glad they didn't try to include any of that in the film. But from that I understand, Beverly isn't being sexually abused by her father in the novel. She is being physically abused and emotionally abused, but he's not sexually assaulting her.

[(Anonymous)]

iirc, it was strongly implied that while Bevvy's father might never have touched her sexually; that his relationship with her, while influenced by Pennywise like most adults in Derry, was definitely not free of that element - 'let me look at you, see if you're still intact'.

[(Anonymous)]

I like King's books, but the comments about cocaine etc. give him an out imo, he's always had a odd approach to sex, and across his work certain tropes arise constantly (homosexuality as a corrupting force; a strange approach to childhood sexual abuse - which kind of chimes in with his gross Twitter comments about how Dylan Farrow's allegations against Woody Allen were palpably 'bitchy' - the usual male writer sexism.) I think he's tried to overcome it to an extent, but then again, he pulled the old 'Well, you should object to MURDER' argument when it came up a few years ago; so maybe you can't teach an old dog new tricks.