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[ SECRET POST #653 ]
⌈ Secret Post #653 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Katekyo Hitman Reborn!; Dino/Hibari]
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[Stargate Atlantis; McShep]
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[Beatles]
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[Miyavi]
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[Catherine Tate/James Nesbitt]
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[FFVII etc; Zack Fair]
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[The Office]
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[Camp Rock]
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[Kingdom Hearts]
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[Picture is Torchwood]
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[Vincent Van Gogh/Paul Gauguin]
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[Matila]
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[Detroit Metal City]
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[Mamma Mia (movie)]
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[Code Geass]
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[Alexander Hamilton?]
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[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]
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[OrgInfinity; Black Tears]
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[pic is GirlSnake and GirlOtacon from MGS]
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[The Office]
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[Hoshi no Yakata by Tori Maia]
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[Death Note]
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103, 110
110: OMG YES!! Michael Keaton was sufficiently angsty and dark to be Batman IMO. He'll ALWAYS be Batman to me!!
Re: 103, 110
(Anonymous) 2008-10-20 01:25 am (UTC)(link)I also agree that it's completely mutual, but up until recently I've always viewed John of being a bit more blatant about the dept of his feelings for Rodney than Rodney is about his feelings for John. I think John (regardless of all his hang ups and regardless of the fact that it could get him into trouble) is more open about it and more familiar with the idea, and I see Rodney as being a little harder to come to terms with it. But if having gay characters on a TV show didn't put so many people up in arms (yes, even today), I think it would have a fair chance of being canon and that Rodney would eventually stop denying and him and John would work things out.
This episode did a lot to convince me I was just being a fangirl, and that yes it was there, and yes it was COMPLETELY mutual.
Re: 103, 110
I agree with what you're saying because, well, John's always seemed more self confident than Rodney. I mean I love and adore Rodney McKay but he's never really seemed "comfortable" with himself in social situations. I mean put him in the lab and Rodney's "Confidence Man"...not so much socially. Look at "McKay and Mrs. Miller" when he wanted to join John, Ronon and Teyla when they were sitting around just talking and hanging out. I think you're dead on about John being the one who's more open and okay with his feelings regardless of what that could mean in terms of impact on his career. I honestly see Rodney as, well, kind of clueless and a little out of touch with his sexuality.
I think it's a sad fact that now, in 2008, there's still this stigma...this phobia of having gay, male characters on television and especially in science fiction. I like to think that, in some parallel universe where that's not an issue, there's an SGA in production where John had finally convinced Rodney that they're perfect for each other and that it's okay to acknowledge their (obvious) attraction.
The fact that, throughout The Shrine, Rodney was continually calling for John just solidified, in my mind, that, atleast on a subconscious level, Rodney was aware of his true feelings and his fixation on wanting John around was his subconscious manifesting itself.
Once again, I applaud your sharing of that secret! :) (Glad to know I'm not the only one who feels/felt that way about Rodney and John.)
Re: 103, 110
(Anonymous) 2008-10-20 03:10 am (UTC)(link)(lol) I meant to say: 'This episode convinced me I'm NOT being just a fangirl'. Oops.
Yea, John's certainly not great at talking about his feelings either, and I don't see him as the kind of guy to be completely and always natural and comfortable in any kind of relationship, but I do see him as much more aware of his true wants and desires than Rodney is. Rodney's just so...awkward. Not to mention self-conscious. I realize they both are, but I see Rodney as being the one more likely to let that prevent him from taking a risk and letting his feelings out. (Like I said, if he even knows. Half the time I'm convinced Rodney doesn't know what the hell he wants, and even if he did that doesn't mean he would immediately go for it. If it was something simple, something he could quantify, then sure - but love isn't, and Rodney's scared of it.)
Exactly. If things were different I believe this would be canon. If only we could end up in this parallel universe and watch the show then, right? Heh. (Plus, the fact that they're two of the main characters makes a huge difference. Here in America that just doesn't usually fly. I have to say though, if they were minor characters it might not matter so much.)
That's pretty much my take on it. If Rodney were in his right mind, he never would have been that free with Sheppard. I bet when things were over and done and he was back to normal he was terribly ashamed of the fact that he kept asking for Sheppard. And not only calling for him, but that he continuously singled Sheppard out and treated him special - like he was more important than everyone else. (And you so know he is, to Rodney.)
Thank you! I AM GLAD YOU AGREE! This was my first secret so wow...I'm pleased by all the comments!
Re: 103, 110
I agree. I mean hell just look at Conversion when he was getting frustrated with what was happening...instead of yelling or throwing a fit, what does John do? He puts his fist through a pane of glass. Not necessarily in touch with his feelings but I think he has more experience in dealing with his feelings and relationships and the like.
Truer words have never been spoken in regards to Rodney McKay. I think that comes from the fact that he's so smart and that isolated him to such a severe degree that he quite simply doesn't know how to interact with people in anything other than a purely scientific situation.
Rodney doesn't admit his feelings without trying to quantify them and that really doesn't work. However, he still tries and, when he fails to precisely quantify his feelings and how he feels about someone, he goes to the other end of the spectrum and ignores those feelings because, to him, they don't exist.
I agree that, if these were minor characters we were talking about, we might, and I stress MIGHT, be more likely to see this relationship as being canon. Unfortunantly, the only scifi show that I know of right off the top of my head that has even MENTIONED homosexuality in a positive light is Doctor Who. Just goes to show that we're the ones who are the TRUE prudes when it comes to sexuality and the expression of sexuality in our media.
Honey I'm still trying to figure out how to get to that parallel universe because it would ROCK to be able to WATCH what we read about in regards to SGA. But as soon as I find it, I'm broadcasting that shit on LJ. :)
Absolutely not! And I think things were awkward between John and Rodney after Rodney got better because of the freedom Rodney had in expressing his downright need for John during the events of The Shrine.
Absolutely!! I mean the way Rodney would automatically call for John BY HIS FIRST NAME whenever he felt uncomfortable? TOTALLY TELLING of Rodney's true feelings for John and the state/story of their relationship. And I most certainly do believe John is that important to Rodney and vice versa.
I've gone through and read all the comments and I'm very pleased that so many people agree! :) It's nice to see some McShep love on F!S. :)
Re: 103, 110
(Anonymous) 2008-10-20 04:29 am (UTC)(link)Not necessarily in touch with his feelings but I think he has more experience in dealing with his feelings and relationships and the like.
Oh, definitely. He’s even been married, though we all know how successful that was. While Rodney has, as you mentioned, seemingly been isolated and lonely most of his life, and probably hasn’t been in a ton of relationships, I imagine John has been with a lot of people. We at least know he’s a bit of a slut (XD), but I do think he’s probably had his fair share of girlfriends/flings/maybe-boyfriends-though-I see-him-more-as-a-Rodneysexual. The thing with John is while he might have been in more relationships, and yea, he’s a bit more in touch with his feelings/what he wants, that doesn’t mean those relationships benefited from his knowledge or lasted longer because of them. I see John as having a problem with acting on his feelings once he has the knowledge. Just like Rodney.
I think that comes from the fact that he's so smart and that isolated him to such a severe degree that he quite simply doesn't know how to interact with people in anything other than a purely scientific situation.
This. Exactly this.
However, he still tries and, when he fails to precisely quantify his feelings and how he feels about someone, he goes to the other end of the spectrum and ignores those feelings because, to him, they don't exist.
Even if you were a fan of Rodney/Jennifer this part would be canon. Like I said, I don’t believe Rodney’s feelings for Jennifer are even a blimp on his radar compared to his feelings for John, but the guy said ‘I love you’ then did NOTHING. The guy told Ronon he wasn’t backing off then did NOTHING. Carson asked him if he was interested in anyone and he denied it completely. Rodney being in love with someone is sort of hopeless because they guy is just too terrified to do anything about it – he gets no where! He ignores because he believes no one could ever reciprocate and he does his best to deny deny deny, and not let anyone find out. Poor Rodney.
I agree that, if these were minor characters we were talking about, we might, and I stress MIGHT, be more likely to see this relationship as being canon.
I know. Might is the key word, because it still wouldn’t have a good chance. It would have a hell of a better chance than two main characters, though. D:
But as soon as I find it, I'm broadcasting that shit on LJ. :)
PLEASE DO. I wanna watch so badly.
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EXACTLY!! I mean we KNOW that John's had atleast ONE relationship that was to some extent successful in that they were together for however long.
Once again, I agree completely. I mean I don't know of ANY relationship that Rodney's "successfully" been in. (And Katie Brown does NOT count because Rodney just seemed SO uncomfortable EVERYTIME they were together!)
I think John's been with enough people to know what he likes and how to recognize it WHEN HE SEES/MEETS HIM! *wicked grin*
This. I mean I couldn't have said it better. I mean being "in touch" with your feelings while in a relationship doesn't mean that relationship benefited from that and doesn't mean it made the relationship last any longer or made any more of an impact on the participants, for lack of a better word.
Once again EXACTLY! Because I think, in John's case, isn't not a case of lack of relationships that makes him hesitate in acting on his feelings but it could be because of all the failed relationships.
My point exactly. Okay so the guy said he loved her...that could've meant anything...it could've been an indication of his mental deterioration. It could've meant more of an admiration rather than love. I mean, with Rodney, his actions speak so much louder than his words do. If he really loved Jennifer then he would've DONE SOMETHING...ANYTHING. And I've seen it argued that he DID act on his feelings by going with her on her medical "outing" on his day off and that he did something by telling Ronon that he wasn't gonna back off. To those examples I say, HAVE YOU MET MEREDITH RODNEY MCKAY?!?!? That's not him "acting" on anything but what he thinks is expected of him when a female shows him the slightest bit of attention. I mean go back and watch his interactions with Sam. Who did Rodney sit with and drink beers with on the balcony during The Shrine?? JOHN. Who was he constantly LOOKING/CALLING for? JOHN.
Rodney was more vocal about his attraction to SAMANTHA CARTER than he is about Keller whom he's supposedly "in love with".
I agree. I mean Rodney is convinced that he's so much smarter than other people (and he is) but he also believes that his intelligence puts him at SUCH a disadvantage. I mean, as much as I LOVED Duet and Cadman, he was made MORE AWARE in that episode of how socially inept he is so, in his mind, what's the point? My poor Rodney woobie...
Too true. It's a sad commentary on our times that this is still the case...*sigh*
Absolutely!! I mean how could I NOT share?!
Re: 103, 110
(Anonymous) 2008-10-20 05:44 am (UTC)(link)I find myself thinking his marriage to Nancy was probably the most successful romantic relationship he’s ever had, which is sad considering he never really tried to communicate with her and was distant. And yet…this is John, so. >.> I wish we would find out how long they were together. I have a feeling they didn’t last over a couple years.
I mean I don't know of ANY relationship that Rodney's "successfully" been in. (And Katie Brown does NOT count because Rodney just seemed SO uncomfortable EVERYTIME they were together!)
A whole bunch of hell yes goes here. And the truth? I thought for a canon couple, they weren’t so bad. His relationship with Katie was, at least to me, not as annoying as it could have been, and I even thought she was kind of cute. The thing is…like you said, Rodney wasn’t comfortable with Katie. He didn’t even feel he could be himself around her, which is no way to be in a relationship. Things are going to get old fast if you feel the need to go about being a different version of yourself in order to not scare someone away, and that’s why the idea of John and Rodney works so well for me. John’s seen just about every side Rodney has, and vice versa, and yet they are still more open with each other than anyone else and enjoy each others company, despite and even because of their flaws.
I think John's been with enough people to know what he likes and how to recognize it WHEN HE SEES/MEETS HIM!
*nods* XD
I mean being "in touch" with your feelings while in a relationship doesn't mean that relationship benefited from that and doesn't mean it made the relationship last any longer or made any more of an impact on the participants, for lack of a better word.
That’s the way I see it, yea. That John might have been aware of what was wrong in his relationships but never made any effort to fix them (for whatever reason). John has lots of issues, so I’m not even getting into those, but I’m sure you have your own ideas. XD
Because I think, in John's case, isn't not a case of lack of relationships that makes him hesitate in acting on his feelings but it could be because of all the failed relationships.
I imagine that would be a huge part of it. He’s probably at the point where he just doesn’t think he stands a chance of succeeding and wants to spare himself the pain.
but what he thinks is expected of him when a female shows him the slightest bit of attention.
I agree so hard. This has Rodney all over it, but Rodney being Rodney, it doesn’t mean anything. He’s so starved for attention and acknowledgment that when women even give him the time of day he is telling himself it’s something more. He just doesn’t know how to deal with female attention. It throws him off balance.
Rodney was more vocal about his attraction to SAMANTHA CARTER than he is about Keller whom he's supposedly "in love with".
God, yes. And if we had to have him with someone in canon, then Samantha Carter would be a much more convincing person to ‘fall in love with’. At least in my opinion. (Though in reality, the guy’s attraction is just that – attraction. He also has a certain amount of respect for her but I don’t see his feelings going much deeper than that. He doesn’t know her well enough – just like he doesn’t know Keller well enough. He’s convincing himself of something that’s just not there.)
in his mind, what's the point?
I can just imagine the amount of times this goes through the guy’s head in a day. Hint: IT’S A LOT.
It's a sad commentary on our times that this is still the case...*sigh*
*nods*
Absolutely!! I mean how could I NOT share?!
And plus, fandom would forever hate you if you didn’t. But you wouldn’t be able to blame them. :p
Re: 103, 110
(Anonymous) 2008-10-20 04:30 am (UTC)(link)And I think things were awkward between John and Rodney after Rodney got better because of the freedom Rodney had in expressing his downright need for John during the events of The Shrine.
I think so too. In my mind it probably went one of two ways: 1. John never mentioned it. At all. Because he was just as uncomfortable with what happened as Rodney was, and he was probably hurt too, that Rodney would never show him that sort of reverence or attention unless he was dying and losing his mind. 2. John teased him about it. A lot. But that means that he’d have to mention it, which means he and Rodney might have to discuss they had a moment, which means that on the highly improbable off chance that Rodney got something for once, he might see just how devastated John was during the whole situation. (Which leads me to believe Rodney probably found out about it, but it sure as hell wasn’t from John.)
I mean the way Rodney would automatically call for John BY HIS FIRST NAME whenever he felt uncomfortable?
Oh, man. You don’t even KNOW how much I squeed. It was – yea. They have this ‘thing’ with calling each other by their first names in specific times/situations and it always gets me. Like how it’s never ‘John’ for Rodney unless he’s incredibly concerned or trying to get his point across; almost like he’s using it to sway Sheppard.
It's nice to see some McShep love on F!S. :)
That it is. That it is.
This is getting long but I love love love having these kinds of discussions and have enjoyed chatting about McShep with you immensely. :) (I will reply back forever, so. Yea. If you want to, I'm game, if you don't, then - it's been fun!)
Do you mind if I add you? I probably wouldn’t ask – would stay anonymous, given this is fandom secrets, but I have few SGA fans and I’d love to have someone to rave with about McShep even if we don’t have long left before the series ends. *CRIES*
Re: 103, 110
YAY!!! I'm SO loving this conversation! :)
Oh man that would make for some SERIOUS ANGST...and I think that's probably what happened. I can see this leading John to seriously think about his feelings for Rodney and Rodney's potential feelings for him, specifically WHY it took Rodney DYING for him to show him that sort of reverential attention.
Once again, this would lead to mucho angst because, while John would tease Rodney about it, when all was said and done, John would be teasing out of a sense of hurt because he was so devastated during that whole time. And then Rodney would be genuinely hurt because he'd automatically take John teasing him as just simply that...someone he cares about teasing him.
Oh I firmly believe that Rodney got his hands on all the recordings from when he was dying and watched them, by himself, and was just shocked to the core that his subconscious mind had taken over and had revealed what he'd been trying so hard to quash because, how could someone like John return those kinds of feelings? *pets Rodney again*
Honestly? I squeed but that's also what broke me and sent me into tears. I mean that just hammered home exactly how close Rodney was to dying and I don't deal well with that. I mean it was a GREAT accent to how un-Rodney like Rodney'd become but still *sniffles*
q>They have this ‘thing’ with calling each other by their first names in specific times/situations and it always gets me.
It curls my toes whenever John and Rodney use the other's first name...
Precisely! :) I think Rodney only uses John's first name sparingly because he KNOWS how much that will catch John off guard and he uses that to his advantage.
Oh I can keep going. I was just telling my hubby that this is the best conversation I've had about McShep in a LONG time! :) It's amazing!!
Add away! :)
Well, if there's one thing I've learned in fandom is this...even after the series is over, there's still a TON of analysis to be done of the characters and situations.
Re: 103, 110
(Anonymous) 2008-10-20 06:09 am (UTC)(link)ME TOO! I haven’t had a conversation like this about McShep in…well…maybe ever. *faceplant* Like I said, I don’t have many SGA friends, and those don’t post about it often or comment on my entries often.
Oh man that would make for some SERIOUS ANGST...and I think that's probably what happened. I can see this leading John to seriously think about his feelings for Rodney and Rodney's potential feelings for him, specifically WHY it took Rodney DYING for him to show him that sort of reverential attention.
Secret? I don’t think John and Rodney COULD get together without some ‘serious angst’ (even if the angst in question was just the both of them going, “There’s no way he feels the same.”). It’s in their blood, man. But yea, I totally think if that were the case John would do a lot of sitting around and contemplating his and Rodney’s relationship and what Rodney’s actions meant. John being John would probably eventually write them off as something insignificant or still take them as important but get the completely wrong idea, but hey, it’s a start I guess.
Once again, this would lead to mucho angst because, while John would tease Rodney about it, when all was said and done, John would be teasing out of a sense of hurt because he was so devastated during that whole time. And then Rodney would be genuinely hurt because he'd automatically take John teasing him as just simply that...someone he cares about teasing him.
Exactly what I had in mind. John would be TORN UP over it and it would slowly eat away at his insides and I imagine he would eventually get all pissey and distant but when he -did- have to deal with Rodney he would be all scathing humor, and even Rodney would eventually know something was wrong.
Oh I firmly believe that Rodney got his hands on all the recordings from when he was dying and watched them, by himself, and was just shocked to the core that his subconscious mind had taken over and had revealed what he'd been trying so hard to quash because, how could someone like John return those kinds of feelings? *pets Rodney again*.
It’s like we share the same MIND. Haha. But no, really, I’m sure that Rodney got those recordings and watched them over and over again and beat himself to death for leaving himself so bare and vulnerable before John and I bet he couldn’t even look the guy in the face for a week or two. Probably thought John was seeing right through him.
I squeed but that's also what broke me and sent me into tears. I mean that just hammered home exactly how close Rodney was to dying and I don't deal well with that.
I squeed through my tears too. I’ve cried at just about every Rodney centric episode this series has had (maybe EVERY. I’d have to look back, but I know the Rodney centric episodes are always heartbreaking). They always get me going.
It curls my toes whenever John and Rodney use the other's first name...
I know!
I think Rodney only uses John's first name sparingly because he KNOWS how much that will catch John off guard and he uses that to his advantage.
Manipulative!Rodney is love!
Oh I can keep going. I was just telling my hubby that this is the best conversation I've had about McShep in a LONG time! :) It's amazing!!
EEE. (I get mentioned to the hubby? Wow, I feel special! *g*) This is the most comprehensive conversation I’ve had with anyone about anything in fandom in a long, long time and I love it so. That being said, if my internet allows me to post this comment (because it’s being an ass lately. *sigh*), I’m going to add you and get offline. It’s getting late. XD Will reply back tomorrow!
Add away! :)
*is pleased*
Well, if there's one thing I've learned in fandom is this...even after the series is over, there's still a TON of analysis to be done of the characters and situations.
This is true, but I’m still depressed that I won’t have new material to meticulously analyze every week. D:
Re: 103, 110
Re: 103, 110
(Anonymous) 2008-10-21 05:53 am (UTC)(link)I know where you've been linked from! And ty, ty. XD