[ SECRET POST #4668 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4668 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

I think it's also largely a strawman.

[(Anonymous)]

How? Men are provably higher scoring in speed, endurance and strength based sports. Transwomen, regardless of how they identify or present, are biologically male even if they aren't men.

How is letting them compete against cis women fair in any way?

[(Anonymous)]

(Same anon)

It's the same as if a FTM wanted to compete. He wouldn't stand a chance! I sure wouldn't! Nothing I can do will make me as big and strong as a cisman.

It is just an unequal playing field and it is inherently unfair.

[(Anonymous)]

MTE. I am very much for trans women being treated as women and given the same rights, opportunities, and spaces as women in almost every way. But competitive sports in an exception to me. Unless trans women can test as having biochemical and bio-physiological stats in keeping with the rest of their female competitors, it's simply not fair to every other woman in the competition for them to compete.

[(Anonymous)]

Cis women can't even test as having biochemical and biophysiological stats in keeping with the rest of their female competitors. That's kind of the whole point of sports.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you must be misunderstanding what biochemical and biophysiological stats means. There is absolutely a testable spectrum. No one person will test identically, but if, for instance, someone's T levels are WAY higher than the next highest competitor's, that is absolutely something that can be determined and should be taken into account.

[(Anonymous)]

So you want to ban cis women from playing women's sports as well?

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT, but some of them absolutely do. Wasn’t there some big steaming heap of shit recently about some poor cis woman athlete being ordered to reduce her naturally occurring high testosterone because it was unfair that she kept beating everyone else?

Maybe I’m missing the point as a short flabby cis female sack of fat with bad joints and the speed and agility of a slug, but it’s no skin off my nose if cis women with sky high testosterone levels and trans women compete with other women.

I mean, the point of sports is to be good at them. Reminds me of the bs that is disabled athletes going from too feeble to compete with the able bodied to fiendish freaks stealing trophies from “regular” athletes, whose only advantages are being better than 99.99% of average folks at their chosen sport, with their devilishly clever prosthetic limbs.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I was unclear; what I meant was that "men and women can compete equally in most sports" is a strawman. It's not a common position about most mainstream sports (although I don't know every sport in existence and it's possible there are some sports where it's true) and it's definitely not a common position about tennis.

But to address the specific points you raise in your post, I think that you have to take into account the performance effects of transitioning and taking hormones, which mean that it's much less of a performance advantage than people make it out to be. And I think you have to look at the fact that to this date transwomen are not actually in fact flooding into womens' sports and dominating them and crowding out cis women like TERFs make out. So at best you're trying to solve a problem that doesn't actually exist, and at worse you're engaging in blatant bigoted fearmongering.